CHAPEL- EN- LE- FRITH PARISH COUNCIL
FAMILY HISTORY MESSAGE BOARD
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This page is to assist anyone who is trying to trace ancestors or deceased relatives who lived in the Parish, it is primarily for persons who live some distance away and cannot easily visit the area or for those persons who are visiting in the future. Please send a brief email with your request for information but give as much detail as possible. You must give your full name and email address. Requests may be edited. Email to the Website coordinator Cllr. Guy Martin – martinguy@aol.com RESIDENTS OF THE PARISH If you can help with any of the requests please email the Enquirer direct but also copy the email to martinguy@aol.com so that we are able to monitor the responses. |
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MESSAGE |
| 14/07/2007 |
I am researching my Green family history and discovered the family in
the early past of the 1800s living in Combs, Chapel en le frith. Joseph
Green b c 1781 married Martha Robinson 16th June, 1812 in Chapel en le
frith. They went on to have eight children who were christened in St
Thomas a Beckett church, Joseph, Nanny (Ann) my gtgtgrandmother, Martha,
Margaret, Sarah, Betty, Mary and Thomas. From the registers their father
Joseph is down as a farmer from Combs. Would anyone be able to help
locate a family grave, have read there is a Green grave at the church
which mentions Combs. Ann or Nanny Green married Joseph Woodroofe of
Hope who is connected the parish clerks of St Peters Church and the Inn
Keepers of the Woodroofe Arms, Hope.
I am planning to visit the area on the 1st of July as a group of
Woodroofe descendents are meeting up and would love to know if possible
which area of Combs to look at. From the 1841 census Joseph and son
Thomas are living at what looks like Holston Lee, near the Smithy and
Rye Hall (may have got the place names wrong as the census is hard to
read). Joseph must have past away between the census years as he is not
on the 1851. Josephs son Joseph married Anne Blore in 1839, the family
in later years lived in Yeardsley Cum Whaley with Anns sister and her
husband John and Margaret Mellor.
Anyone with a connection with the family please get in touch, GILLWOODROOFE@aol.com ,
would also welcome any help on this line of the family.
Regards Gill Woodroofe Green
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| 26/06/2007 |
My great grandmother was Mary Elizabeth Oliver born 1854. I think she
lived with her family in Town Head, Potts Yard?
I know the rest of her family at that time thru' Census, etc.; but I
cannot find anything about the family. She moved away from her family
when she was about 17.
Is there anyone that I could contact to help fill the gaps and also, if
it is not to presumptuous of me, do I still have any possible relatives
living in the area.
Mike Leigh Email: Mikeleigh49@aol.com |
| 27/08/2007 |
Hi Cllr. Guy Martin First I would like to say what a very good ideal to have a family history research area on your parish council website keep up the good work. My late father had an uncle who moved to Chapel en le Frith, so far I have this James Walker born in Boningale, nr Albrighton Shropshire on the 1901 census he was a boarder at 87 Draglow with a family called Hallam and his job was a coachman. Hope this is ok for you, thank you for helping out if you can Your sincerely Rich walker Albrighton |
| 2/9/2007 |
Guy, I am looking for information on the Barratts of
Chapel
en le Frith . They operated the Hanging Gate pub in
Chapel
for a few hundred years from what I have discovered.
They where also shoemakers the earliest date I have on the shoemaker
Barratts . William Barratt born 1765 married to
Ann Heathcote 1788 , also any information on the
Heathcotes of Chapel . Any help your members could provide would be
greatly appreciated. Gary Barratt ( Canada)
email: northbear3@coqeco.ca |
| 11/10/2007 | My cousin (now resident in New Zealand) and I
are both members of the Hallam family. Our great grandparents were John Hallam born c.1836 (born Chapel) and Mary Goodwin his wife born c.1841( born Peak Forest). They were according to Combs Census of 1871 farming 40 acres at Thorneylee, or possible resident in Thorneylee Cottages. 1.We are trying to trace the father of John Hallam and wonder if he was related to George Hallam aged 52 in the 1851 census farming 60 acres at Combe Head, as the children listed at that time for George have names we know are family names (Thomas. Ellis, Valentine, George). We know that John and Mary Hallam and the family moved to the Saddleworth area to another farm before the 1881 census and also that their son Thomas returned to Chapel when he left school and remained there: he is listed as a gardener in a later census: and think that their son Valentine grew up with his grandparents Thomas and Margaret Goodwin of Alstone Lee. Valentine appears in the 1871 and 1881 census but not 1891.but we may be confusing him with another Valentine Hallam perhaps. 2. Our Grandfather was John Ellis Hallam born in 1875. On his birth certificate it says he was born at Plum Wreath, Bollington, Chapel. Is there anyone who can tell me where that is? I was able to visit Chapel last year and tried to find out but was unsuccessful. 3. Does anyone have any information about other members of the Hallam family? Thank you for your efforts. I was so pleased to find your website. Mrs Judith Cowan judith.cowan@btopenworld.com
Hi Judith,
I had a look through the Chapel Parish Registers at the Derbyshire
Record Office, there were the following John Hallam's listed between
1830 & 1850
26/11/1831 son of John & Ann Hallam - Chapel - Labourer
1/5/1836 son of George & Ellen Hallam - Dove Holes - Farmer
8/7/1838 son of George & Ellen Hallam - Sparrowpitt - Blacksmith
there were several other Hallams in this period including
Valentine 21/2/1841 George & Ellen Hallam - Farmer - Dove Holes
If this entry ties in with your research then it looks as though the
1836 entry could be yours.
The others listed were the children of two Blacksmiths George & John
from Sparrowpitt, if you think these may be connected let me know and i
will forward the, on to you
regards
Stephen Hawley
Subject: Hallams from Chapel-en-le-Frith
Dear Judith
I read your note on the Chapel-en-le-Frith family historian
messege board.
We have most recent common ancestors in George HALLAM (abt
1799-1864) and his wife, Ellen BARBER (abt 1799-1873). George's
parents were Joseph HALLAM (b1768 Sittinglow,
Chapel-en-le-Frith, d 1821) and Hannah ALSOP (b abt 1776
Derbyshire d 1849). Ellen's parents were William BARBER, her
mother Mary GREEN.
The parents of Joseph HALLAM (1768-1821) were Isaac HALLAM and
Ann SHIRT. I suspect Joseph's father was Valentine HALLAM.
I have a copy of the will of George HALLAM. The most interesting
finding from the will is that he died at a farm at Pownall
Green, Bramhall. I have no idea how he found himself there.
I am descended through George's youngest child, Ellis HALLAM.
there are a couple of other family historians who share this
line of mine, with whom we have worked out what I have explained
above.
I live in Ely Cambridgeshire but I was brought up in the area so
have local knowledge and my collaborators still live near to
Chapel-en-le-Frith.
Best wishes
John Powell
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| 20/10/2007 |
Dear Councellor, I am trying to find any information
on ancestors on my mother's side of the family. My 4xgreat grandfather
was Thomas Howbrook. I understand he was born in Chapel en le Frith in
~ 1770. He was a cordwainer. He married his wife, Hannah Collier in
1795 but I have no idea at which church etc. I would be extremely
grateful for any help you could offer. What an excellent idea to
provide this service for family historians living too far away to
travel. Thankyou. My e mail address is
sutcliffe@uwclub.net
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| 20/10/2007 | Good morning, We have a small Bible which was presented to a Jack Jagger at the Chapel Boys Sunday School, Christmas 1901. From our research, we found that Jack died in the Great War. Do you know if there are any living relatives stiil in the area, and if so, I would be quite happy to pass the Bible on to them. He is not a relative of ours, we now live in Cambridge and the Bible was in with a box of books we bought at an auction while still living in Chapel. Many thanks, Colin Hodgson email: cw.hodgson@ntlworld.com |
| 28/10/2007 |
Hello I am Alison Hallam, and I am researching my husband's family (or
trying to)
I am trying to trace A Joseph Hallam born in Bamford in 1863, we believe
illegitimtely to a Mary Hallam, but this is not confirmed.
Could anyone help out with this and check any birth records. I know that
Mary went on to marry William Woodhouse and moved to sheffield.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thankyou Alison Hallam
Email:
Hallampakc@aol.com |
| 18/11/2007 | The eldest brother of my
ggggg grandfather The Reverend John Badley (1705-1764) was born in Kingswinford. Family tradition says that he married a Miss Radcliff who gave him the living of Chapel-en-le-Frith. He was buried there on 27 September 1764. He had four possibly five daughters. The eldest daughter Elizabeth married a Thomas Radcliff and they had a son John Badley Radcliff. There may have been another elder daughter that married a Webb as there is a grandson John Badley Webb. The next daughter was a spinster Sarah Badley (1736-1767) There was a lengthy chancery filed with the Prerogative Court of Canterbury by her two younger sisters: Ann who married John Cresswell 15 August 1762 and Mary who married John Bennett on 23 November 1764. This is all I know of this branch of the family and I would be most interested to learn as much as possible of their lives, particularly of the Reverend John Badley, and if there were any descendants of this branch of the family still living. Email: mcjohnathon@deEvia.com
I noticed a message on your board about the Revd.
John Badiley although it is spelled Badley it is the same man.
I have almost finished transcribing Hayfield BT's and
find eight children of his baptised there where he was also either vicar
or curate.
Elizabeth Jly 8 1732. John
May 9 1734, Sarah Ap.24 1736, Ann
April 27 1740, Mary 8 Jly 1743,
Ellen 28 Apr 1748, John
Mar 24 1750 Martha Sept 18 1752.
If nobody has passed any information to the person
who was asking I am sure this may help but I don't wish to become
personally involved with them. I just have too many things in the
pipeline at present.
Sorry to be sending in bits but I suddenly thought
the burial was noted as being at Chapel and it was not. If they look
on Marjorie Ward's North Derbyshire site they will find all the
burials I passed to her and John Badiley was buried there. INTRA Sept.
29th 1764 and it says CURATE so they should find this site a help. I
also noticed that Martha was buried April 1755 (sorry I did not look
for the others)
Best Wishes ......................... Responder wishes to remain anonymous |
| 28/11/2007 |
Dear
Councillor Martin, congratulations on your website, it obviously
provides invaluable help and information for historians trying to
research their Chapel en le Frith ancestry.
I wonder if
any of the visitors to your website have any information on a property
known as Allstone Lee at Combs Edge. I understand that Allstone Lee
(also spelled Holston Lee, Alstonelee, Allstonelee and any other number
of variants you may have come across) is actually a collection of land
and properties. The reason I am interested is because my husband's
ancestor John Bradley Ledley who lived in Bollington left the
property/land and it's messuages and hereditaments to his brother,
William Ledley who resided in Canada. John Bradley Ledley was a retired
publican, living at Ivy House, Ledley Street in Bollington. He was on
the Bollington Local Board and had connections to many of the Bollington/Rainow/Kerridge
families living there. He was born in Stockport in 1827 and died in
1895. I have a copy of his will if that would be of any help. I have
been trying to make a connection as to how he came to own the property,
whether by inheritance or whether he bought the land/property. He seems
to be vaguely connected to many famous families and I am would welcome
any help to solve how the property came into his possession. In the will
it does say that the land is rented to George Heathcote in 1895, which
may give a clue as to it's actual location.
Many thanks
for any help you may be able to give.
Lynne
Edwards
warren.edwards@homecall.co.uk
Hi Lynne,
Guy has passed on your query about Allstone Lee, i have attached
extracts of maps showing combs in 1898 (Allstone Lee is on the "b"
file) If you look at a current OS map it will be easier to tie in -
unfortunately the farm was just at the point the map was split.
The best source of information about this, is a book called "Combs is
my Village" by Peggy Bellhouse, This is no longer in print, but a copy
is held at the Chapel Library, i will have a look for the part on
Allstone Lee when i next visit. The book details a history of each of
the farms and some drawings of the farms themselves. If you like i
could try and copy the relevant pages and scan them to you?
cheers
Stephen Hawley
Item below kindly sent by Mike Gregg 22 December 1868 Heathcott-Ledley. Sale of Alstone Lee Indenture of 22 December 1848 between Edward Heathcott of Sutton near Macclesfield relieving officer; John Taylor of Ollerset land surveyor; and John Bradley Ledley of Bollington gentleman Edward Heathcott is seized of a will entitled to the inheritance to a messuage (subject to a mortgage dated 19 November 1862 made between Heathcott and Taylor securing £1300). Heathcott has agreed with Ledley to sell for £1940 and £1300 is still owing to Taylor but interest has been paid. Ledley pays to Taylor £1300 and £640 to Heathcott. The two closes at Alstone Lee, one commonly called the Thorndole of one acre two rods and thirty five perches on the west side of Alstone Lee house and bounded on the north by land formerly of Mr Bradbury on the south by church land on the east by the highway and on the west by the church land. The other called Penning Hay of three acres twenty four perches situated on the east side of Alstone Lee house and bounded on the north by lands of George Heathcott (parcels of the land conveyed below) on the south by church land on the east by lands now or formerly in the occupation of George Barrett and on the west by lands of George Heathcott (and now sold below) The messuage of Alstone Lee sometime formerly in the possession of Edward Jackson, afterwards of William Swindells, since of George Heathcott and the lands known as the Rose Croft, the two Barn Crofts, the Pumin Hay, the two Nether or Lower Pumin Hays, the Broadlee Meadow, the Wickin Meadow (divided into two parts), the Wickin Hill meadow, the New Close, the Tom Clough and the Carr Meadow and the parcel of land of 20 acres known as the New Piece together with all that lane and herbage which led from Pumin Hay to the New Piece which are now better known as Homestead Garden (1a6p); Tom Clough (1a1r); New Close (4a29p); Far Wickin Hills (1a3r21p); New Wickin Hills (2a38p); Wickin Meadow (3r21p); Broadlee Meadow (3a1r3p); Piece (19a3r8p); Far Pemmin Naze (3a); Pemmin Naze (2a1r24p); Great Pemmin Naze (5a1r24p); Water Croft (20p); Carr (2a5p); Barn Croft with barn (2r12p); Lane (3r30p) and Common Land (20a) And also Ralph Meadows (3a3r statute acres) and formerly in the occupation of Joseph Green the elder, afterward of Joseph Green the younger but now occupied by George Heathcott And JB Ledley who was married since 1 January 1834 declares that no woman who may become his widow shall be entitled to dower out of the property Edward Heathcott; John Taylor; JB Ledley [verso] witnessed by FW Wheeton; Joh Stockport; Will ? Mair Receipts for the £1300 and £640 |
| 16/12/2007 |
What a great idea to have this site available for enquiries .
My grandmother's maiden name was Frith and I have traced her ancestors
back to William Frith born in Chapel en le Frith in December 1674 and in
June 1697 married Alice Beard.
The only information I have about Alice is that she was born in
Derbyshire c1675 and that her Father's name was Nicholas Beard
I am looking for any earlier information on both families
Wishing all researchers a happy Christmas
Margaret Bradbury
Email magmbradbury@yahoo.co.uk |
| 16/12/2007 |
I hope that you can help. The following information has been given to me by my grandfather, he is a little unsure about the details. I am hoping that you may be able to confirm the following or point me in the direction to find more details, as all my web searches etc. are turning up nothing. My Great Great Grandfather was supposedly the Police Sergeant in Chapel en le Firth and also in Wirksworth, the surname is Lipscombe and approx date of C1900. I have found no details of any Lipscombes in the census records and would be grateful of any help as I have reached a dead end. He had four children Cecillia, Madge, Josaphine, William all born in Middleton By Wirksworth. I am not sure if he moved from Chapel or just worked there before settling in Middleton by Wirksworth. Looking forward to your reply Elisabeth Sumper |
| 8/01/2008 |
My ancestors lived in Combs, my GGgrandfather was John Wood and his wife
Margaret (Jones) ran a small shop at the Cockyard between 1888 and the
1900's, before that they lived at Lane Ends in Combs and at Combs Head.
(Margaret was the post mistress for a while). I have used the excellent
books by Peggy Bellhouse and would appreciate any more information that
anyone has.
I am also eager to trace a Nephew and Niece who lived with them: Edward
H B Williams born in Flintshire Wales in 1895 and their niece who was
a W. Williams.
John & Margaret's children were Elizabeth Ann, Mary Ellen, John Robert
(Bob), Maurice, William, Edward, Louisa and Samuel. (I believe that Bob
was a joiner and had a workshop at the back of the Hanging gate)
I would appreciate any help, that anyone can give
thanks
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| 14/01/08 |
Dear Cllr, what a fantastic site, I live in
Huddersfield and intend visiting Matlock shortly. I start a Family
History course at a local church on Wednesday 16.1.08 but I have already
got my GGGrandfather's details from the 1851 Census.
His details are - Jerimiah (proper spelling)
Garlick aged 52 (in 1851) so he was born around 1799 at Derbyshire, Dove
Holes. He is shown as living at Coal Hurst and a farmer of 45 acres,
married to Catherine Garlick aged 44 (no other details). I think
Jerimiah died in the last quarter of 1860. Funnily enough there is
another Jeremiah (usual spelling) who died in the first quarter of 1860
but they are not the same person.
I cannot find any trace anywhere of 'Coal
Hurst'.
I am also looking for birth certificates or
details for Jerimiah around 1799, any marriage details to Catherine
(don't know year but their first child (Samuel was born around the
beginning of 1828 in Taxal) so I am guessing they were married around a
year before that, and any death details for last quarter of 1860.
Are these details held at Derbyshire
records, County Hall, Matlock ? as this is were I intend to start
looking.
Regards,
Keith Garlick
488 Manchester Road
Linthwaite
Huddersfield
HD7 5RD
Tel 07786 944226
Dear Keith,
I have just read you request on line re the Garlick
family. My grandmother was Amy Ellen Garlick from Yeardsley cum
Whaley. Her father was John Garlick from Coalhurst Farm. His parents
were Jeremiah and Catharine. I think Jeremiah's parents were Jeremiah
b. 1760, and Anne Winterbottom born 1760 from Dove Holes.
Re Cole Hurst farm as it now is, does still exist and
is on Kishfield Lane Kettleshulme. John Garlick was married twice,
his first wife being Sarah Wingrove from Scotswood, East Denton,
Newcastle. The moved to Whitehough, Chapel en le Frith where John was
an apprentice cordwainer. Amy Ellen's mother was Margaret Kirk born
1847 in Whaley Bridge.
Amy Ellen married John James Jackson from Whitehough
where my great great grandfather William Jackson was licensee of the
Red Cow Inn. It is apparent that both the Jackson's and Garlicks knew
each other at this time (1851).
They got married at Chapel en le Frith and then moved
to 182, Horsedge Street Oldham where my father Frank Jackson was born.
John James was a policeman in Oldham.
Last week I visited the church at Taxal where the
graves of Jeremiah, Catherine and others are.
I have fully completed the Jackson family tree but only
started the Garlick tree three weeks ago. The Jackson's originally
came from Peak Forest, where most of the Garlick family were baptised
and married.
Last week I also visited the Derbyshire records office
yet again re both the Garlick's and the Jackson's and got useful
information. Kettleshulme, Taxal, and Whaley Bridge are all in
Cheshire. Chapel en le Frith, Dove Holes and Taxal are all in
Derbyshire.
Next week I am visiting the Chester records office
where I will research the Garlick's and my mothers family, the
Fitton's, who are from Cheshire before they moved to Oldham.
We obviously appear to be related, but I don't know
how? Perhaps you could let me know?
Ken Jackson
email address ken@jack1698.fsnet.co.uk |
| 27/01/2008 |
I am trying to find any information
regarding George Selby Crewther, he was born in Glanton Whittingham
Northumberland in 1843 To George & Elizabeth Gradon , he died in Chapel
en le Frith 5th April 1885 according to the Free BMD indexes. This is
all I know of him.
Hope you can help.
Thank you
Anne Hardy
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| 29/01/2008 |
Dear Mr Guy
I have read through your web site on the
history of Chapel en le frith. It is a wonderful site and gives me lots
of information.As i am doing my family tree and my 5x gr grandparents
came from there.
They were named John and Mary Lomas and
lived at 44 Cock Yard in 1841 on the census it states that John Lomas
was a farmer of 88 acres and a lime carter so were his son's.So to see
the pictures on your site was nice.
I am wondering thou if this place is still
there and if so could you help me in trying to find some old pictures of
it.
This would be of great interrest to me
Thankyou so much
Mrs P Milench
Email: jeff.milench@ntlworld.com
Dear Mrs Milench
I found your posting on the excellent Chapel-en-le-Frith Parish Council
Message Board.
I looked at the 1841 census sheets HO107/184/4/11 AND 12, which
encompass The Cockyard. Unfortunately, I can't find a household with a
John Lomas in it. There is George LOMAS and family and just up the hill,
Jacob LOMAS and family at Bradshaw Hall and further up again, James
LOMAS (wife Mary). I can't find your John and Mary.
However, in 1851, I suspect your John is there, a farmer, lime carrier
and publican. This John LOMAS was almost certainly the one who married
Mary LOMAS (of High Lane) at Thomas Becket on 13 May 1823 by licence
(which means there are probably some interesting documents related to
the marriage to be had). John's parents were Jacob LOMAS (b The Cockyard,
christened 1 January 1774) and Nelly WALTON. John was at Digleach Farm,
Upper Crossings in 1841 (with parents) and in 1861, farming 15 acres. He
died in 1869.
I am part of a group that has researched the Chapel-en-le-Frith Lomases
and we have information that may be of interest to you.
If you are interested in joining the group, please let me know.
Kind regards
John Powell
family_history_2006-powell@yahoo.co.uk David Beresford, a fellow researcher, has pointed out that your John and Mary LOMAS were not at Digleach Farm at the time of the 1841 census - they were at Courses. I had misread my notes so the little piece I sent to you (see below) contains an error.
Dear Mrs Milench
I found your posting on the excellent Chapel-en-le-Frith Parish Council
Message Board.
I looked at the 1841 census sheets HO107/184/4/11 AND 12, which
encompass The Cockyard. Unfortunately, I can't find a household with a
John Lomas in it. There is George LOMAS and family and just up the hill,
Jacob LOMAS and family at Bradshaw Hall and further up again, James
LOMAS (wife Mary). I can't find your John and Mary.
However, in 1851, I suspect your John is there, a farmer, lime carrier
and publican. This John LOMAS was almost certainly the one who married
Mary LOMAS (of High Lane) at Thomas Becket on 13 May 1823 by licence
(which means there are probably some interesting documents related to
the marriage to be had). John's parents were Jacob LOMAS (b The Cockyard,
christened 1 January 1774) and Nelly WALTON. John was at Digleach Farm,
Upper Crossings in 1841
(with parents) and in 1861, farming 15 acres. He died in 1869.
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| 30/01/2008 |
Dear Cllr Guy, What a gem your web page is on family history, I only hope it can be of some help to me. I am trying to discover information on my maternal grandfather’s family. So far, I have the following information; John (b.1847) and Mary (b.1849) Holroyd lived in Church Lane (we think 47), ?Steel Square, in St Thomas A’Beckett parish. They had 3 children, John 1874, William 1876, and Elizabeth 1879. In the 1901 census, William and his wife Emily (nee Stroner we think), were living in the family home, 47 Church Lane. We think they had 3 children, Arthur 1902, Alfred 1903, and Ethel 1907. Alfred was my grandfather (married Clarice Hayward and lived in Rochdale). Most of the above we have pieced together using family members and the internet but none of it is certain. Alfred died in 1954, so that avenue is closed. There is a family storey of a big falling out around 1920, so there has never been any contact with any members of the family. During our research, we have found many references to the name Holroyd in Chapel en le frith so I suppose our main question is how common was the name Holroyd, in the village during this time? I do hope you can help me in any way. Many thanks Matt James |
| 12/02/2008 |
Dear Mr Guy, My name is William (Bill) Raymond and I’m a descendant of Beatrice Sidebotham daughter of Henry Sidebotham, she was my grandmother. As far as I’m aware she was bourn in Chapel en le Frith in 1893, she had 3 brothers for which I have names, Albert, Harry, Fred and a sister Clara. she had a cousin Jack She lived in Tintwistle, Manchester around 1907 for a while with her sister and her brother toured Canada and the United States in that year while Fred toured the Middle East in 1909 She married Alfred Raymond on July 20, 1917 at St. Mellitus, Hanwell and set sail for Australia later that year followed some years later by brother Fred. Harry was killed in France during WW1. Below is her photo as a young woman and if there is anyone in the are who might be able to give me further information or details of relatives I’d be most appreciative, Yours truly, Bill Raymond |
| 15/02/2008 | Hello, i wonder if you can help, I have just
found my great great great great grandfather on the 1851 census. living with his daughter at Banwell Somerset the census tells us that he was born in Chapel-On-Le -Frith. His name was John Wilson occupation papermaker age in 1851 74, which means he was born born circa 1777. Can you give me any information on Wilson's. Hope you can help. Thanking you in anticipation Ken email: kenandjulie@blueyonder.co.uk |
| 15/02/2008 |
Hi all
I’m looking for
Mary Newton born Ireland 1845 married Thomas
Britt/Brett in 1862 at Bishop Auckland in 1862.
Mary’s father is listed as a blacksmith on
the marriage cert.
Thomas Britt/Brett was born 1840 Sligo
Ireland.
In the 1851 census there is an Andrew Newton
aged 30 b Ireland, Robert aged 7, and Mary aged 6 staying with a family
in Chapel en le Frith called Hewitt.
They also show up in the 1861 census in St
Mary’s parish Oldham, as again Andrew Newton, Robert Newton, and Mary
Newton but also with another Robert Newton b1851 Ireland and Julia
Newton b1821.
I cannot find any mention of any of the
family after this census apart from Mary when she marries Thomas.
I am trying to locate any further
information regarding this family, which parish were they born in
Ireland, How did they get to Britain and when?
Any help or suggestions greatly appreciated
Paul
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| 27/02/2008 |
I and a distant cousin (copied in) are interested in the reference to William S Madan on the Chapel-en-le-Frith war memorial, which honours his fall in 1915. My great uncle was William Spencer Madan, who I’m fairly sure fought through both WW1 and WW2: he is mentioned at http://books.google.com/books?id=L_nx4Fc5ZZgC&pg=RA1-PA330&lpg=RA1-PA330&dq=bertha+madan&source=web&ots=4ZvMh607YX&sig=IXe9KHWFxpeAA876h-Ya5dx2TgE ie as a Lichfield family, which is some 75 miles from Chapel-en-le-Frith. When I search the WW1 section of www.nationalarchives.gov.uk I get:
Catalogue Madan, William S Corps:
British Red Cross Society and
Order of Saint John of Jerusalem Per your website your memorial is headed “Erected 1919 to record the honoured names of the men from the Parish of Chapel-en-le-Frith who served in the Great War” – when I do a Google search on Madan and Chapel-en-le-Frith though nothing else comes up: Can you tell us any more about your William S Madan (eg where he fell and how old) or his family please? I realize you probably get loads of questions like this!! Many thanks. Kind Regards Arthur Bletchly 9 Bryntirion Close, Bridgend, CF31 4BZ ( Tel 0845 1309438/ 01656 668120 Mobile 07802 902119 Fax 0845 1309439 email:
Arthur@bvalued.co.uk Hello Arthur,
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| 5/03/2008 |
Hi my name is Debbie Stevens and I am trying
to trace my family tree I have gone back to Issac Lomas b1831in
Chapel-en-le-Frith who married a Hannah Unwin b1832 in Eyam who were
married i think in Bakewell .They went on to have several children Jacob
b1853 in Chapel-en-le-frith Sarah b1855 Louisa b 1860 Catherine b 1863
Harry b 1866 George b 1874 all born in Eyam If anyone has any
information i would be very grateful
Please contact me at:
darren.stevens7@ntlworld.com
Dear Darren
I read your posting on the CELF Parish Council Family History notice
board with interest.
Could your Isaac be the eldest of the offspring of Henry LOMAS and
Nancy FURNISS?
I think father Henry was the youngest of Henry LOMAS and Sarah FRITH.
And paternal grandparents would be Henry LOMAS and Dorothy SWINDELLS.
Kind regards
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| 12/03/2008 |
I know from the 1841 census that my great-great-great-great-grandfather, John Williamson born in Derbyshire in1805/6, was a wheelwright in Tunstead Milton. He was married to Ann who was born about 1820/1 in Derbyshire. They had a son called Thomas born in 1829/30. I found John Williamson, wheelwright, in Paget’s list of 1836 but that is all the information I have. Unfortunately the 1841 census did not give a specific birthplace so I don’t know if John and Ann were born in Chapel. Their address is given as Lane or Lanes End. Does this address still exist in either Chapel or Tunstead? I would be extremely grateful for any information you can find about my Chapel ancestors.
Best regards |
| 10/04/2008 |
Dear Cllr. Martin, I have a message for the Family History Board on the Chapel en le Frith Website: Would anyone have any information on my Grandmother her name was Emily Jane Lomas born Sep 1909 in Chapel en le Frith, she married a Joseph Thomas King and I believe that she is buried in Chelmorton cemetery. I would love to know where she came from, I will soon be ordering her birth certificate but would like any info if anyone has any. Many Thanks. Jon King. Email: jonanddanny@ntlworld.com |
| 15/04/2008 |
Dear Mr Guy,
The Family History Message Board is a splendid idea,
and special thanks go to the people who thought of it and set it up.
I would appreciate any help you can give me in adding
to the little I know of my g-g-g-g-grandparents
Sarah Carrington (aged ''70' in the 1841 Census and
'88' in 1851) and Carrington, parents of Nelly (Ellen) Shirt Carrington
who was christened at Chapel en le Frith May 31st 1801,
and Ellen's husband, my g-g-g-grandfather
John Hallam, paper manufacturer,aged 40 according to
the Census in 1841, who died before 1851, was probably from Derbyshire,
and was also described as a paper maker on his daughter's marriage
certificate.
I don't have any information about their marriage,
but their daughter Ann was born in Chapel en le Frith, according to
Census data.
Many Thanks,
Helen Jones
Email: lindahelens@yahoo.co.uk
Dear Linda
I did some 'quick and dirty' on your query and found on International
Genealogical Index:
Nelly Shirt chr 31 May 1801 daur of Sarah CARRINGTON
Samll chr 16 Oct 1805 son of John & Sarah CARRINGTON
Mary chr 8 Oct 1806 daur of John & Sarah CARRINGTON
Sarah b 21 Oct & chr 8 Nov 1807 daur Sarah CARRINGTON
Matthew chr 30 Dec 1808 son of John & Sarah CARRINGTON
and
Betty born and chr 23 Dec 1810 daur of Sarah CARRINGTON
So by implication, the father of Nelly Shirt was probably John
CARRINGTON.
John
Dear Linda
I noticed your 15 April 2008 posting on the Chapel-en-le-Frith
Parish Council Family History Message Board.
The International Genealogical Index has the following promising
entries:
John HALLAM m Ellen Shirt CARRINGTON at Chapel-en-le-Frith Parish
Church 19 August 1821
Ann daughter of John and Ellen Shirt HALLAM christened at
Chapel-en-le-Frith Parish Church 9 February 1823 &
Ann daughter of John and Ellen HALLAM christened at
Chapel-en-le-Frith Parish Church 18 November 1829
There are a lot of John Hallams around Chapel at the time so it is
going to be difficult to identify which one was your ancestor. If
you make any progress with your Hallams, please would you let me
know.
Best wishes
John Powell
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| 27/04/208 |
I am looking for some help locating information about
my ancestors John Goddard (b 1813 at Lee end farm Chinley) and his wife
Elizabeth (Betty) Walton b C 1819 at Walton House CELF Derbyshire.
I do not seem to be able to find out who her parents
were or where Walton house might be (I have found a Walton Hall nr
Chsterfield but it appears it was not owned by the Walton familly at the
time of her birth)
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Julie Redman
email:
jredman@ihug.co.n
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| 29/04/08 |
HI. my ancester, james byron,
born 1814, stalybridge cheshire
married 16th november 1840,
to elizabeth wilson,
born 1817 chapel--en--le-frith
i have traced elizabeth family, isaac wilson father 1786
mary lowe mother
1790 sarah, mary, elizabeth, john, thomas, george, isaac
1812 1814 1817 1820 1823 1825 1828
all at the thomas a becket church,
i got parents marriage, all children births apart for,
Elizabeth's, john,s, on the marriage certificate, for james
and elizabeth, her father was a farmer, at corn--heys
i have tried mattlock, derbyshire, stockport, for elizabeth birth
certificate with no luck, do,s anyone have any ideas, were i
could go next, and tell me what corn--heys is
yours joyce McCormack
email Jmacyshome@aol.com |
| 12/05/2008 |
Dear Cllr. Martin
Please can you help me find out any more information about Dominic
(sometimes spelt Dominick) Moran born about 1835 in Co Mayo, Ireland who
lived in Chapel en Le Frith around the time of 1871 - 1891.
Living in Town End, Chapel En Le Frith, Bowden Edge, Derbyshire in 1871
aged 34 as a boarder with John and Ann Ibbotson and family (Sarah,
Thomas, John & William). The head of the family John is a Labourer at
the Iron Works age 47. Wife Ann aged 46. Sarah aged 19 is a Wadding
Coarser. Thomas aged 17 is a Blacksmiths Striker. John aged 15 is a
Fireman at the Lead Mine. William aged 12 is a Scholar. Dominick is
noted as Labourer at Baryles Works?
1881 Census states living at Town End, Chapel En Le Frith, Derbyshire.
Occupation noted as General Labourer. Dominic spelt without the K.
Occupation on 1891 census states Paper Bleacher. Dominic spelt without the K. Living at Tabernacle Court, Exeter, St Mary Major, Devon. 1901 Census states born in County Mayo, Ireland. Living with Eldest Daughter Elizabeth Milton, husband Frederick is a Private Soldier in 2nd Devons Regiment & children (Frederick, Violet, Ivy & Harold) at Bartholomew Place, Exeter He marries Miss Marrian Marsh born in Hope, Derbyshire on 28 May 1847. I am unsure of the date of their marriage or indeed at which church this took place at. I have a copy of her birth certificate and beleive her parents to be William Henry Marsh, a tailor and Miss Elizabeth Ashton. I would love to know more about any of these people and would really appreciate your help. I am hoping to visit Chapel and Hope later this summer. Many thanks and look forward to hearing from you. Lynda Email: lynda.moran1@googlemail.com
Dear Lynda
No Marshes/Ashtons/Morans/Ibbotsons in my family tree.
I had a look at the censuses and think Marian is the Mary aged 3
years in 1851 living in Hope with married mother Elizabeth aged 28
years born Hope and brothers Robert (aged 8 years) and John H (aged
1 year); husband William Henry MARSH was on Chester Road in Old
Trafford, aged 31 years, a mat maker, born in Upper Canada. In 1861,
living in Hope there is William H Marsh, basket and mat maker aged
41 years, blind, born Canada, wife Elizabeth 38 years, son John aged
11 years, daughter Harriet aged 4 years and daughter Elizabeth A
aged 2 years.
I found a likely marriage of a Dominick MORAN and a Marian MARSH -
registrations for both names are in the index to the General
Register for the September quarter of 1871 at Macclesfield, page
178 of volume 8a. He must have been a labourer at the barytes
works in Chapel-en-le-Frith. Barytes (barium sulphate) was mined
locally and used in paint (think it was a white pigment).
Best wishes
John Powell
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| 21/05/2008 |
Dear Cllr Guy Martin,
I am seeking information on my wife's paternal
Grandparents, John & Bridget Meaney
(MS O'Halloran) who moved to
Chapel-en-le-Frith, from County Down, Ireland circa 1905 and lived
there until circa 1911. I am sure that two of their children were
born in Chapel-en-le-Frith: Edward Meaney
born March 1907
Kate
Meaney born June 1910.
I am patricularly interested in another possible
daughter who was married in Chapel-en-le-Frith.
Mary Ann Meaney married 1908 (spouse may have been Joe
Gaunt)
I am attempting to confirm that they were all
children of the same parents., John & Bridget Meaney.
Any information in this regard, or any other source
that I can search, will be gatefully appreciated.
I am doing some research into my wife's paternal Grand parents and in particular one of their daughters; " Mary Ann Meaney" The Meaney family, John and Bridget (MS O'Halloran) moved to Chapel-en-le-Frith, from Co. Down, Ireland, about 1905 and remained there until 1911. At least two of their children , Edward and Kate, were born there.. The subject of my research, Mary Ann Meaney, was, according to <freebmd.org,uk.> married in Chapel-en-le-Frith on March 1908, (perhaps to a Joe Gaunt), she would have been 17 years old at the time. I am anxious to know if you can confirm that such a marriage took place and what procedure I should follow to obtain any records including a copy of the Marriage Certificate. The freebmd record is in Volume 7b at page 1164. I trust that you can assist me in my quest and look forward to hearing from you. Kindest Regards, Angus G. Macnab New Brunswick, Canada. Email: amacnab@nb.sympatico.ca |
| 22/05/2008 |
My late father, Esca Garrick b.1886, had a
brother Lionel Garrick b.1885. Lionel lived in Chapel le Frith until
his early death in 1919.
I have
discovered through research that Lionel married a Norah Margaret
Lafferty (nee Buxton) and they had a daughter Norah Marie born 24 March
1914 (37 Dale Road, Buxton). Norah married a Frank F Gibson and I
know that they had a son David L.G. Garrick b.1937. Although I haven't
been able to trace the birth of a daughter, I believe there could also
be a daughter, Elizabeth - possibly named "Heathcote".
I have
a lovely photograph of Lionel and his young family and also photographs
of Lionel’s father, Edward John Garrick and his wife Minnie Janette (nee
Smith) and would love to share this information and all the other Garrick
history as have managed to go back as far as my great, great, great,
great granddad, Cornelius Garriock (Garrick) bn: 1681 in the Shetland
Isles.
Any
information you can supply, would be very much appreciated.
HAZEL
FELTON (nee Garrick)
Many thanks for
the prompt reply. After sending the e-mail I realised Email: h.felton@blueyonder.co.uk |
| 8/06/2008 | My name is Rod Treweek, and my family and I
have began the daunting task of piecing together our family history. We
basically know that my great-grandmother Eleanor "Nellie" Fischer
(spelling may be off) was born in England to what we believe to be an
Isabella Jane Hill (Hall?) and a John Fredric Fischer (again, the spelling
on these may not be totally accurate). Nellie married a John Treweek and
they moved to America (specifically, Butte Montana) where John worked, we
believe as a blacksmith. Anecdotal accounts suggest that the marriage was
not a particularly welcome announcement to the Fischer family, as John
Treweek was possibly considered below Nellie's station. John Fredric
Fischer is described as both a captain of the SS Marie, and also as having
involvement in the shipping business. Nellie was born in 1868, and
returned to England in 1909 with her son Willie as shown on a ship
manifest that we have obtained. Willie recounts being disciplined by the
family butler while there (getting a spanking). Not much else is known
regarding this visit, or why it may have occurred at that time
(speculation is that it may have been for a funeral, but no direct
evidence exists regarding this). Other interesting anecdotal information
is that Nellie loved to sing, and both her and John plaid piano and sang,
and it has been said that she sang for Queen Victoria as a child. Sadly,
John died quite young, having drowned (there is some appearance of
possible foul play, as it has been suggested that he was mounting a
lawsuit against a mining company over injuries that one of his sons had
sustained, but nothing additionally has ever been discovered regarding
this). Equally sad, Nellie seems to have had suffered from some form of
increasingly debilitating mental illness, and the remainder of her life
was spent in the care of the Montana state hospital at Warm Springs. Her
son Jack, my Grandfather, rarely spoke of her throughout my father's life,
and my dad did not even know that he had a Grandmother until she had
passed (very sad..). My Grandfather also seemed to suffer from
deteriorating mental health (possibly part of the reason for the lack of
contact with his mother), and sadly ended his own life. Needless to say we would be very interested in finding out any information regarding our ancestry in England and possible linkage to the Fisher family. The Treweek family seems to have hailed from Cornwall, and we are still somewhat unclear on where the Fischer family may have lived. Anyway, the descriptions that I have found of the James Fisher family seemed to be worthy of some exploration regarding a possible link, so i thought maybe I'd email you to see if there might be some connection. Sorry for the long email, and thank you very much for offering your website. Sincerely, Rod Treweek Email: rtreweek@gmail.com
Dear Rod
By checking the registrations of marriages and of births that are
accessible and searchable online for instance at freebmd.org.uk, there
are the following interesting leads:
John TREWEEK marriage registered at Cardiff in the September quarter
of 1896 (volume 11a, page 574 of the index to the General Register)
also a Nellie FISCHER marriage registered at Cardiff in the September
quarter of 1896 (volume 11a, page 574). The index does not prove that
John and Nellie married one another but there is a very good chance
that they did because there are only four names on each page of the
index.
There are six candidate John TREWEEKs whose births were registered in
Cornwall (and one in Bristol) in the index of General Register. There
is an Eleanor FISCHER whose birth was registered at Mile End
(London/Middlesex) in the September quarter of 1866. But I can't find
an Eleanor or a Nellie or similar name for a Fischer (didn't check
names similar to Fischer) in the indexes for 1868. Coverage of births
was nowhere near 100% in those days so it is possible your John does
not appear in the birth register. It's less likely for your Nellie's
birth not to be registered.
I would advise you to obtain a copy of the marriage certificate of
John TREWEEK detailed above. You can order over the internet from
The certificate will cost you about fifteen dollars - it's expensive
because it's a legally verified document. And it's quite slow -
probably two weeks for it to arrive with you.
From the marriage certificate you will get useful information that
will help you with your ancestors. The most important item of course
is that it should confirm that this John TREWEEK married a Nellie
FISCHER. But you will get John's profession, his age, his father's
name and profession and comparable information for Nellie.
The mention of Cornwall sparked my interest. There were some links
between Chapel-en-le-Frith (CELF) and Cornwall. One of my CELF 19th
century relations married into a Cornish family. The link was probably
through mining - there was tin mining in Cornwall and a variety of
mining activities near CELF -coal, lead, barytes, limestone... In your
case, I can find no hint of a link to CELF.
Good luck with your family history.
Kind Regards
John Powell
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| 25/06/2008 |
hi once again, i am looking for ancestors, this
time, i am trying to sort something out, my
4timesgr/grandmother elizabeth wilson, byron, parents were isaac
wilson / and mary lowe, m/1811, chapel, they had 7
children, isaac died in 1848, just before the 1851 census,
but on the census, his wife was named as hannah, i have
searched all of the chapel resources for mary,s death, to see
if he married again, but no luck, also on the 1841 she
was named as hannah, can anyone shed any light , on this
for me, yours joyce mccormack
Email: Jmacyshome@aol.com |
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