CHAPEL- EN- LE- FRITH PARISH COUNCIL

FAMILY HISTORY MESSAGE BOARD

This page is to assist anyone who is trying to trace ancestors or deceased relatives who lived in the Parish, it is primarily for persons who live some distance away and cannot easily visit the area or for those persons who are visiting in the future.

Do note that any information posted on this site is available for all to see!

 Please send a brief email with your request for information but give as much detail as possible. You must give your full name and email address. Requests may be edited.

Email to the Website coordinator Cllr. Guy Martin – martinguy@aol.com

RESIDENTS OF THE PARISH

If you can help with any of the requests please email the Enquirer direct.

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Try these sites first for information

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~dusk/chapel-e-l-f.htm

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dusk/chapel-newspapers.html

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dusk/celfmarphil/celfmarriages.html

We would like to thank Pauline Nicks for the kind donation to the Parish Council Archives of a Peak Forest Almanak and a thirteen page document from the Epiphany Sessions Derbyshire,
not dated, probably late 1800's. 
 William Yates of Ridge Hall Chapel en le Frith, where his family had lived for over 150 years against John Higinbotham, John Shirt, Thomas Eyre, John Lomas, Thomas Mycock, John Barber, Samuel Bann
 and William Barton.

To view please contact the Clerk of the Council

DATE

MESSAGE

07/01/2009 Hi good afternoon,

I am trying to trace some family history associated with Chapel en le
frith. I woul be most pleased if you could or visitor to your site give any
details to which they might have for my fathers parents. Sadly details are
a bit vague.

My father is  Jules Henri Williams (B 1938)
His mother Lillian Williams (nee Unsworth)?? B 1910- 1915)
His father Jules Henri (second name unsure as we think he was a french
citizen from the village of Sarthe in north western france (nr le mans)
as to how we got the family name of williams is the family mystery. Also
there is a referecne to a double barrel/ hyphend name of walker or walker -
williams.
The family remained in the Chapel / Buxton area as i remember visiting my
grandmothers(nanna) sister in buxton as a child circa mid 70s here name was
Alice and lived nr the train station.

They also had a daughter whom died and is buired in a church yard in Chapel
en le frith (Angela (D. circa 1930 - 1935)

We believe the couple were married in Chapel en le frith but cannot find
any records.

any help would be or information would be most appreciated.

with regards

Chris Williams.....

williams_c16@sky.com
05/02/2009  Greetings,

I hope you can help me.  I am trying to trace my great-grandfather, George
 Heathcote, born about 1847 in Chapel en le Firth.  As a young man (we do not
 have a date) he immigrated to the United States, married, had 2 children,
 and enlisted in the U.S. Army at Fort Belvoir, Virginia, at age 33 years and
 one month.  He was discharged in October 1885 and then disappeared from our
 family records.  We believe he may have returned to Chapel en le Firth,
 leaving his 2 children in the care of his Mother and Father-in Law,
 remarried (his wife, my maternal great-grandmother, had died in 1885 in the
 U.S.) , and perhaps had another family.  Any information you are able to provide will be very much appreciated.

 Thank you,

 Ruth V. Uecker
 Email: Sunflr@Inteliport.Com
9/02/2009
Hello:  I live in Canada and my relatives come from Chapel en le Frith.  My gggg grandfather is
Ralph Turner who married Elizabeth Frith on October 7, 1806 in Chapel en le Frith
They had (possibly) the following children, and maybe some children between 1807 and 1812.
Joseph b. Apr. 22, 1812
Ralph b. Mar. 22, 1818
Elizabeth b. July 14, 1822
James b. Aug. 3, 1823
Mary b. July 10, 1825
Sarah b. Apr. 6, 1827
I wonder if you would be able to put me in touch with a researcher who would look up these records in your parish church for me.  I would be willing to pay anyone who would be willing to take the time to look up this marriage and these births.  Thanks you for any suggestions you may be able to give me.   I would not bother you but I do not know who to contact in the area who would be willing to look at the original records.  Thank you from cold Nova Scotia, Canada, Mary Leblanc

Email: jmleblanc@accesswave.ca

8/03/2009
Dear Mr Martin, I wonder if you can help me I am looking for  a man who I believe was a wentworth from an aristocratic family. so far I have found him as Thomas Smith in 1851 census stating that he comes from Chapel en le frith  Papers that were to be proof of what I was told have since been lost and only my aunt can remember the surname
The hall I believe is in ruins or was, I think he married a hobson from grenoside
hoping you can help
regards lilian hitchmough in australia
email address is lhitchmo@bigpond.net.au

21/03/2009

mark_fox@tpg.com.au 

My name is Mark Fox and I believe I have ancestors who lived in Chapel-en-le-Frith, notably Adam Fox.
 
I would be extremely grateful if you could provide or point me in the right direction of any information in relation to Adam Fox and his family,
 
Kind regards, Mark Fox
8/04/2009
Does anyone know anything about the history of the Potter family of Cockyard?  I believe that at one stage they used to keep the Hanging Gate and then moved to a property in Cockyard, called Link House,.  This I believe was once used for animals underneath and a Sunday School above.  I know that they were related to the Barratt family in Chapel who are and were farmers.  thank you Pauline Nicks

email: pauline.nicks@ntlworld.com

14/05/2009 Hello all,
Looking for details of  the deceased Jeanie Armit Nelson who lived at Keston,Manchester Rd Chapel en le Frith in 1929.She married Clement Harcourt Vernon on 27-2-1929 and had daughter Rosemary Jean in Sept that year. There was also another daughter born ????1938,called Olivia but we think Jeanie died in childbirth.At around this time Rosemary was adopted and went to live in Hampshire with her fathers sisters, Olivia and Ruth Vernon. Not sure if baby Olivia died or was adopted? Was Jeanie and her baby buried in a churchyard in this area and what date?
Anyone with any information on this please do get in contact.
Many Thanks
Susan Travers -Rosemarys daughter.
 email: susantravers29@live.co.uk

 

Hi Susan
 
I don't think either Jeanie or her husband had roots in Chapel-en-le-Frith. They married there and I think your mum's birth was registered there as Jean RG VERNON. I have searched the civil registers carefully and have come to the conclusion that your grandmother Jeanie A VERNON's death (aged 26 years) was registered at Sheffield in the March quarter of 1936.
 
I can find no other birth registered that might be Jeanie's offspring. And in particular no birth or death/stillbirth of an Olivia VERNON, which makes it likely that Olivia would have been adopted and her name changed.
 
Best wishes
 
 
John Powell

 

 

10/06/2009
Dear Cllr Martin - Firstly, let me congratulate you on your excellent website!

Secondly, any information that your readers may have on the Tymm family would be much appreciated.

The only information I can give is: George Tymm married (?) Harper June 1914 and children Stella May Cecile (born 1922) & Bernice. The marriage and both births are registered as happening in Chapel. Also there are various other Tymms going back to 1700s living in or near Chapel.

Many thanks Phillip Greenan
 

23/06/2009 I am looking for Heathcotes of CELF in Derbyshire.  I am descended from
George Heathcote shoemaker and farmer==born 2 May 1784 CELF who died in
Taxal Cheshire 4 May 1867.  I have his will listing all of his children etc.
He married Mary Barnes in 1802.  She was born 25 Apr 1782 in CELF and died
in Taxal, Cheshire. 
George was the son of Edward Heathcote and Elizabeth Lowe.  Mary Barnes is
daughter of William Barnes 7 Jul 1734 CELF and Ann Oliver  1734  Chinley
Independent.  Any information of Heathcote, Barnes, Lowe and  Oliver is
appreciated. 

Contact gayleholman@comcast.net

15/07/2009
Hi- I am researching the Oliver family and have found many of them living in Chapel en le Frith - I've gone back as far as Joseph Oliver, 1720, who married Constance Wright, and their son Joseph, who had a son Samuel, all of Chapel en le Frith.  Any information available would be greatly appreciated.  Sally Shires, Strongsville, Ohio, USA
Duckpie8@yahoo.com       Thank you

26/07/2009
Cllr.Guy Martin
 
Referring to your Family History Message Board, I note there is a reference to Bank House, which apparently was owned
by the Renshaws in 1894.  My Grandmother was Sarah Elizabeth Renshaw, born in 1871.  The family resided in the Yorkshire
Derbyshire area.  The Renshaws at Bank House could be related, but I know very little about the Renshaws before my Grandmother,
as she died when my Mother, her daughter was three years old.
 
I should be grateful if you have any information.
 
Regards
Maxine Y Hunt   Email :  myhhenniker@talktalk.net

1/08/2009

dorothy.self2@btinternet.com

I am trying to trace Thomas Carrington who was born in1756
My father always told me his ancesters came from Chapel En Le Frith.
He went on to marry Jane Ardern and they kept the Bulls Head Inn Higher Disley until 1804
Many of the Carrington family lived in Disley and some still do.
If anyone can put any light on this question I would be delighted.
Also there son married Margaret Cooper from Kettleshulme born 1790 I can't find her parent either
Dorothy Self.

09/08/2009
Greetings:
 
From information I have recently found it would appear that my grandfather, Ralph Ernest Longden, died in Chapel-En-le-Frith in 1973 at the age of 91. The last time I saw him was in 1947, he had returned to the UK after many years in Bombay, India, he worked there as a flour mill manager. I have no other information about his final years
 
If anyone can tell me anything about him, in Chapel, it would be much appreciated.
 
My e-mail address is  twocords@look.ca
 
Thank you.
 
Art Cordingley
Mississauga
Ontario.

16/08/2009
I'm currently researching the Renshaw family, and I have links back to Chapel-en-le-Frith, and believe that Henry Constantine Renshaw (who married Lucy Broadhurst) lived in Bank Hall.  Can you confirm this?  Is there any other information you can supply?  Did they purchase the Hall, or was it a family property? 
 
Thanks,
 
Emily Reed

emily.s.reed@googlemail.com

24/08/2009 Mr Martin,

I'm looking for information regarding John Dean (b circa 1783) who married Elizabeth Clayton (b 1782) on 23 October 1810 at St Thomas, Chapel en le Frith. In the 1841 census they were living at what looks like Eaves with their three children John Dean (b circa 1819), Sarah Dean (b circa 1824) and William Dean (b circa 1827). I haven't been able to find anything further online with the exception of John junior who I have found in the 1851 census at Burfields, Bradshaw Edge with his wife Ann (b circa 1821 in Wales) and their children Sarah Ann Dean (b circa 1842), Edward Dean (b circa 1845) and Jane Dean (b circa 1848). I believe Ann died shortly after the census as I found a BMD record for CELF in the 2nd quarter of 1851. By the 1856, at the latest, John junior was living in Pendleton, Lancashire.

I would be greatful for any information or research pointers as thus far most of what I have has been of the internet.

Thanks in advance

Jude Cosh (Manchester) - jude.cosh@gmail.com
4/09/2009

I am trying to locate further information regarding Peter Mellor, born 1812 in Chapel en le Frith  and his wife Mary nee Ford(e), also born in Chapel in 1819, particularly their baptisms and any information regarding their parents.  I believe Peter’s parents were William and Mary Mellor.    I think Peter was christened on or around 3 May 1812.

 

Census records show they were resident in Gnat Hole outside Chapel en le frith both before and after their marriage in Glossop in 1837.   Peter died 1879 and Mary in 1884. 

They  had 11 children including my great grandfather George Henry (born gnat hole, 1860).   His youngest son, Alfred Bernard, born 1901 in Manchester,  emigrated to Australia in the 1920s.

Any information on Peter & Mary and their antecedents in particular would be very much appreciated. 
 

Regards

Kym Mellor

kmellor@carternewell.com 

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17/09/2009 Hello Mr Guy. I hope you can help. I am researching my maternal family
tree and the name Wilson. I have the 1851 census for Banwell, Somerset
and the information recorded on the census for  my GGGG grandfather
John Wilson states that he was born  in Chapel En Le Frith circa 1777.

The earliest record I have of him is 1813 and parish records show a
baptism for his first born  at St Matthew's Church, Wookey, Somerset.
John Wilson's occupation was  papermaker and I know there was a paper
mill at Chapel, would you have any records of Wilsons working in the
papermill or information on John Wilson? Is there a baptism for him at
Chapel?

If you  do have any information on the family that you could forward to
me this would be greatly appreciated.

You have a wonderful site here and it is obvious a lot of hard work has
gone into it.

Hope you can help.

Thanking you in anticipation.


Ken Williams
kenandjulie@blueyonder.co.uk

5/10/2009 I am interested in the Holland family who were resident at Peaslow farm
1901 - 1911 that I know of, and formerly of Earl Sterndale.  The sons
appear on the WW1 war memorial but That's as much as I know.

They are related to me via my grandmother who was a Holland.  The
Peaslow family are of my G/Grandfather's 3rd wife Ellen.

Anne Willcox
email: A.Willcox@sheffield.ac.uk 

14/10/2010

5/11/2009

 

 

Guy
I have already had a response to my posting on the Chapel family history website, and as a result (and as a consequence of some further evidence) I am going to have to change it!  It seems that I have been relying on an inaccurate census return (age 10 years out) and that the William Barnes I am working on is not the William Barnes I thought he was.  Could you therefore very kindly remove the posting you put on last week and replace it with the following?
 
 
I would be very interested to learn of any information about the family of William Barnes, born Hayfield 1825, son of Philip Barnes, farmer.  Philip Barnes appears on the 1851 and 1861 census as Farmer of 60 acres, Upper Fold, Chinley dob about 1791, and death probably September quarter 1867 in Chapel.  He seems to be the only Philip Barnes in the area in the mid nineteenth century.
William Barnes left Hayfield for Holmfirth where he married Mary Crosland in 1848.  They had four children and both parents were dead by 1865.  I am aware of the families of the two eldest children, Lydia and Joseph, but have not yet tracked down the two younger daughters, Elizabeth Barnes (b  Holmfirth 1854) and Hannah Barnes (b Holmfirth 1858).  I think these two may have married and moved back to the Chapel/Hayfield/Glossop area.
 
Robert Charlesworth

 

Dear Guy
I have definitely identified Philip Barnes (1790 - 1867) of Upper Fold Farm, Chinley as my ggg grandfather and father of William Barnes.  Philip was married to Kitty Goddard (1795 - 1873).  After their deaths, the farm was run by their youngest children, Robert and Mary Barnes, neither of whom seems to have married.  Robert Barnes died in 1913, Mary in 1916.  Does anyone know anything about them?
I should also be grateful for any information about their oldest son, Joseph Barnes (1816 - 1891) married to Mary Heaton (perhaps Eaton) of Edale who were at Lower House Farm in the 1860s and 1870s.  They appear to have had only one son, George who was married to Sarah (Alsopp?).
There were at least three other children of Philip and Kitty, Elizabeth b 1819, Thomas b 1826 and Philip b 1829, but I don't know anything about them.
Does anyone know whether Upper Fold Farm and Lower House Farm are still in existence?
Many thanks
Robert

RobChworth@aol.com

 

6/11/2009
Hello,
I am looking for information about John Mortin born around 1810 in Chapel who married Hannah Garside in Glossop in 1832. They moved to Hayfield/Ollerset and had 7 children and eventually died there.  I think his parents were Robert and Nancy Morten both from Chapel born in the 1780's but confirmation required if possible please.
 
Thank You,
 
Barry Mortin
 

7/11/2009 Sir,

After years of believing that William MILLWARD married a Caroline DERWENT of
Roich Malcalf I now find that the name was DARWENT. They farmed the area at
least from 1841- 1891 and I would like to know more about them if anyone has
information please.

I also suspect that Thomas DARWENT ran a Bell and Company pub in the area.

Eric MILLWARD.


bbruckshaw1@tiscali.co.uk   remove the first "b"
 
9/12/2009
My maternal great grandparents came from Chapel-en-le-Frith, and there's a long line stretching back from them into the Middle Ages, all with Chapel connections. My grandmother was a Walton, and her father was Arthur Walton, born in Chapel in 1858. Although he moved to Hull, the rest of his family remained in Derbyshire, and I believe there are still some descendents in the town. I'd be very pleased to make contact with any of them, but am especially interested in solving the riddle of Alfred Barker.
 
Alfred married my Great Great Grandfather John Walton's older sister, Sarah, in about 1860. In mysterious circumstances (as far as I'm concerned!) Alfred died at the age of just 43 in 1867. He was a stonemason by trade, which can be dangerous enough in itself, but my grandmother once told me that he'd been killed at "a meeting" in Chapel-en-le-Frith. Is there any account of this?
 
Evidently, Alfred's untimely death had a deep effect on the family. Sarah never remarried, and lived for another thirty years as a houseguest with one or other of her relations, typically with her brother John in the Dog Inn, where he was keeper, or her younger brother William, who owned Walton House. I believe it still exists? Four years after Alfred died, John's wife Mary gave birth to a son (their fourth) and they named him Alfred Barker Walton. In 1897, thirty years after the incident (and just before Sarah died) Hannah Maria, wife to John's eldest son, my Great Grandfather Arthur Walton, bore her third son. He too was christened Alfred Barker, and would subsequently die in the trenches in 1918.
 
If anyone can shed more light on this I'd be very grateful. I am also trying to find out more about my "Uncle" Eric. He was Eric William Walton Young, only child (I believe) of Margaret Ruth Walton, my Great Grandfather's youngest sister. She married a Mr Young (don't have first name) in around 1905, and Eric was born in 1909. He lived all his life in Chapel, and died in 1989. He was a regular feature in my childhood, possibly because he never married and had no children of his own.
 
Thanks very much for your help. My email is marcus@cmcgraphics.co.uk
 

16/12/2009

Charles FLINTHAM (1874-1926) is my uncle by his marriage to my maternal aunt Lucy Frances Brown [Bellamy] (1876-1931) in 1900. They had at least 8 children (5 boys, 3 girls) including Sydney (1902-), Frank (1904-), Stanley (1907-), Rose (1912-), and Arthur (1913-).  Their births were registered in Chapel en le Firth District, Derbyshire.

 

The other three children may have been Eliz Ann and Eric (1906-) and Violet (1910-).  These three were also registered in Chapel en le Firth, but I have not been able to verify that they are Charles and Lucy’s children as Charles had a brother and his family living in Chapel en le Firth

 

I would very much like to learn more about any of Charles and Lucy's descendants, and hopefully make contact with those who are living.

 

Thanks for your assistance

 

Thomas Sawtell, Canada

sawtell35bu@shaw.ca

27/12/2009 I am desperately trying to find ancestors connected to Thomas Hall born in Chapel 1801, christened 24 Jan 1802 son of Thomas, Forgeman. Thomas (the son) later moved to Staffordshire where he married but there are a huge amount of Halls and I am struggling to find if they are connected. Any help would be greatly appreciated and if anyone can recommend books of the area (including Castleton) covering 1700s to 1860s that also would be appreciated. Here's hoping, many thanks Marilyn -

Email: brown@pointercottage.wanadoo.co.uk 

 

18/01/2010 Hi Martin,

Thank you for supplying a place for us family researchers to place our
queries.

I am looking for any Warhurst family contacts from Chapel En Le Frith. We
have early records of the birth of Edward and Richard Warhurst from the 1600
s

Any family information will be well received.

Thanks,

Jenny Sandercock

South Australia

email: grahams38@optusnet.com.au

22/01/2010 I am looking for Charles Hector Smith. Worked for Ferodo. 1940s. Lived Church Brow then Park Rd?  Am researching family history and only know that he was born in Wales.  Does anyone have any info.  Thanks.
alwyncroke@live.com

A CD is now available listing the Index and  Memorial Inscriptions for The Parish Church,
St. Thomas Becket and Town End Methodist Church, years prior to late 1980’s, with an Index and photographs of later burials for both Churches, but note this is not a register of burials
, these are held at the County Record Office, Matlock.

See the War Memorial page for St Thomas Becket & Methodist Churches MI Indexes.

 

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