CHAPEL- EN- LE- FRITH PARISH COUNCIL

FAMILY HISTORY MESSAGE BOARD

This page is to assist anyone who is trying to trace ancestors or deceased relatives who lived in the Parish, it is primarily for persons who live some distance away and cannot easily visit the area or for those persons who are visiting in the future.

 Please send a brief email with your request for information but give as much detail as possible. You must give your full name and email address. Requests may be edited.

Email to the Website coordinator Cllr. Guy Martin – martinguy@aol.com

RESIDENTS OF THE PARISH

If you can help with any of the requests please email the Enquirer direct but also copy the email to martinguy@aol.com so that we are able to monitor the responses.

DATE

MESSAGE

14/07/2007
I am researching my Green family history and discovered the family in the early past of the 1800s living in Combs, Chapel en le frith.  Joseph Green b c 1781 married Martha Robinson 16th June, 1812 in Chapel en le frith. They went on to have eight children who were christened in St Thomas a Beckett church, Joseph, Nanny (Ann) my gtgtgrandmother, Martha, Margaret, Sarah, Betty, Mary and Thomas. From the registers their father Joseph is down as a farmer from Combs. Would anyone be able to help locate a family grave, have read there is a Green grave at the church which mentions Combs. Ann or Nanny Green married Joseph Woodroofe of Hope who is connected the parish clerks of St Peters Church and the Inn Keepers of the Woodroofe Arms, Hope. 
I am planning to visit the area on the 1st of July as a group of Woodroofe descendents are meeting up and would love to know if possible which area of Combs to look at. From the 1841 census Joseph and son Thomas are living at what looks like Holston Lee, near the Smithy and Rye Hall (may have got the place names wrong as the census is hard to read). Joseph must have past away between the census years as he is not on the 1851. Josephs son Joseph married Anne Blore in 1839, the family in later years lived in Yeardsley Cum Whaley  with Anns sister and her husband John and Margaret Mellor.
Anyone with a connection with the family please get in touch, GILLWOODROOFE@aol.com , would also welcome any help on this line of the family.
Regards Gill Woodroofe Green

26/06/2007
My great grandmother was Mary Elizabeth Oliver born 1854. I think she lived with her family in Town Head, Potts Yard?
I know the rest of her family at that time thru' Census, etc.; but I cannot find anything about the family. She moved away from her family when she was about 17.
Is there anyone that I could contact to help fill the gaps and also, if it is not to presumptuous of me, do I still have any possible relatives living in the area.

Mike Leigh

Email: Mikeleigh49@aol.com

27/08/2007

Hi Cllr. Guy Martin

First I would like to say what a very good ideal to have a family history research area on your parish council website keep up the good work. My late father had an uncle who moved to Chapel en le Frith, so far I have this James Walker born in Boningale, nr Albrighton Shropshire on the 1901 census he was a boarder at 87 Draglow with a family called Hallam and his job was a coachman. Hope this is ok for you, thank you for helping out if you can

Your sincerely Rich walker Albrighton

richandcazwalker@blueyonder.co.uk

2/9/2007
Guy, I am looking for information on the Barratts of Chapel
en le Frith .  They operated the Hanging Gate pub in Chapel
for a few hundred years from what I have discovered. They where also shoemakers the earliest date I have on the shoemaker Barratts . William Barratt born 1765 married to
Ann Heathcote 1788 , also any information on the Heathcotes of Chapel . Any help your members could provide would be greatly appreciated. Gary Barratt ( Canada)
email: northbear3@coqeco.ca
 
11/10/2007 My cousin (now resident in New Zealand) and I are both members of the 
Hallam family.

Our great grandparents were John Hallam born c.1836 (born Chapel) and 
Mary Goodwin his wife born c.1841( born Peak Forest). They were 
according to Combs Census of 1871 farming 40 acres at Thorneylee, or 
possible resident in Thorneylee Cottages.

1.We are trying to trace the father of John Hallam and wonder if he 
was related to George Hallam aged 52 in the 1851 census farming 60 
acres at Combe Head, as the children listed at that time for George 
have names we know are family names (Thomas. Ellis, Valentine, George).

We know that John and Mary Hallam and the family moved to the 
Saddleworth area to another farm before the 1881 census and also that 
their son Thomas returned to Chapel when he left school and remained 
there: he is listed as a gardener in a later census:  and think that 
their son Valentine grew up with his grandparents Thomas and Margaret 
Goodwin  of Alstone Lee. Valentine appears in the 1871 and 1881 
census but not 1891.but we may be confusing him with another 
Valentine Hallam perhaps.

2. Our Grandfather was John Ellis Hallam born in 1875. On his birth 
certificate it says he was born at Plum Wreath, Bollington, Chapel. 
Is there anyone who can tell me where that is? I was able to visit 
Chapel last year and tried to find out but was unsuccessful.

3. Does anyone have any information about other members of the Hallam 
family?

Thank you for your efforts. I was so pleased to find your website.

Mrs Judith Cowan

judith.cowan@btopenworld.com
Hi Judith,
I had a look through the Chapel Parish Registers at the Derbyshire Record Office, there were the following John Hallam's listed between 1830 & 1850
 
26/11/1831 son of John & Ann Hallam -   Chapel  -   Labourer
1/5/1836 son of George & Ellen Hallam - Dove Holes  -   Farmer
8/7/1838 son of George & Ellen Hallam - Sparrowpitt  - Blacksmith
 
there were several other Hallams in this period including
 
Valentine 21/2/1841  George & Ellen Hallam  - Farmer - Dove Holes
 
If this entry ties in with your research then it looks as though the 1836 entry could be yours.
The others listed were the children of two Blacksmiths George & John from Sparrowpitt, if you think these may be connected let me know and i will forward the, on to you
 
regards
Stephen Hawley 

 

Subject: Hallams from Chapel-en-le-Frith

 
Dear Judith
 
I read your note on the Chapel-en-le-Frith family historian messege board.
 
We have most recent common ancestors in George HALLAM (abt 1799-1864) and his wife, Ellen BARBER (abt 1799-1873). George's parents were Joseph HALLAM (b1768 Sittinglow, Chapel-en-le-Frith, d 1821) and Hannah ALSOP (b abt 1776 Derbyshire d 1849). Ellen's parents were William BARBER, her mother Mary GREEN.
 
The parents of Joseph HALLAM (1768-1821) were Isaac HALLAM and Ann SHIRT.  I suspect Joseph's father was Valentine HALLAM.
 
I have a copy of the will of George HALLAM. The most interesting finding from the will is that he died at a farm at Pownall Green, Bramhall. I have no idea how he found himself there.
 
I am descended through George's youngest child, Ellis HALLAM. there are a couple of other family historians who share this line of mine, with whom we have worked out what I have explained above.
 
I live in Ely Cambridgeshire but I was brought up in the area so have local knowledge and my collaborators still live near to Chapel-en-le-Frith.
 
Best wishes
 
John Powell

20/10/2007
Dear Councellor, I am trying to find any information on ancestors on my mother's side of the family.  My 4xgreat grandfather was Thomas Howbrook.  I understand he was born in Chapel en le Frith in ~ 1770.  He was a cordwainer.  He married his wife, Hannah Collier in 1795 but I have no idea at which church etc.  I would be extremely grateful for any help you could offer.  What an excellent idea to provide this service for family historians living too far away to travel.  Thankyou.  My e mail address is  sutcliffe@uwclub.net

20/10/2007 Good morning,
We have a small Bible which was presented to a Jack Jagger at the
Chapel  Boys Sunday School, Christmas 1901.
From our research, we found that Jack died in the Great War.
Do you know if there are any living relatives stiil in the area, and if
so, I would be quite happy to pass the Bible on to them.

He is not a relative of ours, we now live in Cambridge and the Bible was
in with a box of books we bought at an auction while still living in
Chapel.

Many thanks,

Colin Hodgson
email: cw.hodgson@ntlworld.com
28/10/2007
Hello I am Alison Hallam, and I am researching my husband's family (or trying to)
I am trying to trace A Joseph Hallam born in Bamford in 1863, we believe illegitimtely to a Mary Hallam, but this is not confirmed. 
Could anyone help out with this and check any birth records. I know that Mary went on to marry William Woodhouse and moved to sheffield. 
Any help would be appreciated. 
Thankyou Alison Hallam

Email: Hallampakc@aol.com
 

18/11/2007 The eldest brother of my ggggg grandfather The Reverend John Badley
(1705-1764) was born in Kingswinford. Family tradition says that he
married a Miss Radcliff who gave him the living of Chapel-en-le-Frith.
He was buried there on 27 September 1764. He had four possibly five
daughters. The eldest daughter Elizabeth married a Thomas Radcliff and
they had a son John Badley Radcliff. There may have been another elder
daughter that married a Webb as there is a grandson John Badley Webb.
The next daughter was a spinster Sarah Badley (1736-1767) There was a
lengthy chancery filed with the Prerogative Court of Canterbury by her
two younger sisters: Ann who married John Cresswell 15 August 1762 and
Mary who married John Bennett on 23 November 1764.

This is all I know of this branch of the family and I would be most
interested to learn as much as possible of their lives, particularly of
the Reverend John Badley, and if there were any descendants of this
branch of the family still living.
Email: mcjohnathon@deEvia.com
 
I noticed a message on your board about the Revd. John Badiley although it is spelled Badley it is the same man.
I have almost finished transcribing Hayfield BT's and find eight children of his baptised there where he was also either vicar or curate.
Elizabeth  Jly 8 1732. John May 9 1734, Sarah Ap.24 1736, Ann April 27 1740, Mary 8 Jly 1743,
Ellen 28 Apr 1748, John Mar 24 1750 Martha Sept 18 1752.
If nobody has passed any information to the person who was asking I am sure this may help but I don't wish to become personally involved with them. I just have too many things in the pipeline at present.
Sorry to be sending in bits but I suddenly thought the burial was noted as being at Chapel and it was not.  If they look on Marjorie Ward's North Derbyshire site they will find all the burials I passed to her and John Badiley was buried there. INTRA Sept. 29th 1764 and it says CURATE so they should find this site a help.   I also noticed that Martha was buried April 1755 (sorry I did not look for the others)
 

Best Wishes .........................

Responder wishes to remain anonymous

28/11/2007
Dear Councillor Martin, congratulations on your website, it obviously provides invaluable help and information for historians trying to research their Chapel en le Frith ancestry.
 
I wonder if any of the visitors to your website have any information on a property known as Allstone Lee at Combs Edge. I understand that Allstone Lee (also spelled Holston Lee, Alstonelee, Allstonelee and any other number of variants you may have come across) is actually a collection of land and properties. The reason I am interested is because my husband's ancestor John Bradley Ledley who lived in Bollington left the property/land and it's messuages and hereditaments to his brother, William Ledley who resided in Canada. John Bradley Ledley was a retired publican, living at Ivy House, Ledley Street in Bollington. He was on the Bollington Local Board and had connections to many of the Bollington/Rainow/Kerridge families living there. He was born in Stockport in 1827 and died in 1895. I have a copy of his will if that would be of any help. I have been trying to make a connection as to how he came to own the property, whether by inheritance or whether he bought the land/property. He seems to be vaguely connected to many famous families and I am would welcome any help to solve how the property came into his possession. In the will it does say that the land is rented to George Heathcote in 1895, which may give a clue as to it's actual location.
 
Many thanks for any help you may be able to give.
 
Lynne Edwards
 
warren.edwards@homecall.co.uk
 
Hi Lynne,
 
Guy has passed on your query about Allstone Lee, i have attached extracts of maps showing combs in 1898 (Allstone Lee is on the "b" file) If you look at a current OS map it will be easier to tie in - unfortunately the farm was just at the point the map was split.
The best source of information about this, is a book called "Combs is my Village" by Peggy Bellhouse, This is no longer in print, but a copy is held at the Chapel Library, i will have a look for the part on Allstone Lee when i next visit. The book details a history of each of the farms and some drawings of the farms themselves. If you like i could try and copy the relevant pages and scan them to you?
 
cheers
Stephen Hawley

Item below kindly sent by Mike Gregg

22 December 1868

Heathcott-Ledley. Sale of Alstone Lee

Indenture of 22 December 1848 between Edward Heathcott of Sutton near Macclesfield relieving officer; John Taylor of Ollerset land surveyor; and John Bradley Ledley of Bollington gentleman

Edward Heathcott is seized of a will entitled to the inheritance to a messuage (subject to a mortgage dated 19 November 1862 made between Heathcott and Taylor securing £1300). Heathcott has agreed with Ledley to sell for £1940 and £1300 is still owing to Taylor but interest has been paid. Ledley pays to Taylor £1300 and £640 to Heathcott.

The two closes at Alstone Lee, one commonly called the Thorndole of one acre two rods and thirty five perches on the west side of Alstone Lee house and bounded on the north by land formerly of Mr Bradbury on the south by church land on the east by the highway and on the west by the church land.

The other called Penning Hay of three acres twenty four perches situated on the east side of Alstone Lee house and bounded on the north by lands of George Heathcott (parcels of the land conveyed below) on the south by church land on the east  by lands now or formerly in the occupation of George Barrett and on the west by lands of  George Heathcott (and now sold below)  

The messuage of Alstone Lee sometime formerly in the possession of Edward Jackson, afterwards of William Swindells, since of George Heathcott and the lands known as the Rose Croft, the two Barn Crofts, the Pumin Hay, the two Nether or Lower Pumin Hays, the Broadlee Meadow, the Wickin Meadow (divided into two parts), the Wickin Hill meadow, the New Close, the Tom Clough and the Carr Meadow and the parcel of land of 20 acres known as the New Piece together with all that lane and herbage which led from Pumin Hay to the New Piece which are now better known as

Homestead Garden (1a6p); Tom Clough (1a1r); New Close (4a29p); Far Wickin Hills (1a3r21p); New Wickin Hills (2a38p); Wickin Meadow (3r21p); Broadlee Meadow (3a1r3p); Piece (19a3r8p); Far Pemmin Naze (3a); Pemmin Naze (2a1r24p); Great Pemmin Naze (5a1r24p); Water Croft (20p); Carr (2a5p); Barn Croft with barn (2r12p); Lane (3r30p) and Common Land (20a)

And also Ralph Meadows (3a3r statute acres) and formerly in the occupation of Joseph Green the elder, afterward of Joseph Green the younger but now occupied by George Heathcott

And JB Ledley who was married since 1 January 1834 declares that no woman who may become his widow shall be entitled to dower out of the property

Edward Heathcott; John Taylor; JB Ledley

[verso] witnessed by FW Wheeton; Joh Stockport; Will ? Mair

Receipts for the £1300 and £640

16/12/2007
What a great idea to have this site available for enquiries .
 
 My grandmother's maiden name was Frith and I have traced her ancestors back to William Frith born in Chapel en le Frith in December 1674 and in June 1697 married Alice Beard.
 
The only information I have about Alice is that she was born in Derbyshire c1675 and that her Father's name was Nicholas Beard
 
I am looking for any earlier information on both families
 
Wishing all researchers a happy Christmas
Margaret Bradbury

Email magmbradbury@yahoo.co.uk

16/12/2007

I hope that you can help.

The following information has been given to me by my grandfather, he is a little unsure about the details. I am hoping that you may be able to confirm the following or point me in the direction to find more details, as all my web searches etc. are turning up nothing. 

My Great Great Grandfather was supposedly the Police Sergeant in Chapel en le Firth and also in Wirksworth, the surname is Lipscombe and approx date of C1900. I have found no details of any Lipscombes in the census records and would be grateful of any help as I have reached a dead end. He had four children Cecillia, Madge, Josaphine, William all born in Middleton By Wirksworth. I am not sure if he moved from Chapel or just worked there before settling in Middleton by Wirksworth.

Looking forward to your reply

Elisabeth Sumper

Email elisabeth.sumper@btinternet.com

8/01/2008
My ancestors lived in Combs, my GGgrandfather was John Wood and his wife Margaret (Jones) ran a small shop at the Cockyard between 1888 and the 1900's, before that they lived at Lane Ends in Combs and at Combs Head. (Margaret was the post mistress for a while). I have used the excellent books by Peggy Bellhouse and would appreciate any more information that anyone has.
 
I am also eager to trace a Nephew and Niece who lived with them: Edward H B Williams born in Flintshire Wales in 1895 and their niece who was a W. Williams.
 
John & Margaret's children were Elizabeth Ann, Mary Ellen, John Robert (Bob), Maurice, William, Edward, Louisa and Samuel. (I believe that Bob was a joiner and had a workshop at the back of the Hanging gate)
 
I would appreciate any help, that anyone can give
 
thanks
Stephen Hawley

Email Stephenchap1@aol.com

14/01/08
Dear Cllr, what a fantastic site, I live in Huddersfield and intend visiting Matlock shortly. I start a Family History course at a local church on Wednesday 16.1.08 but I have already got my GGGrandfather's details from the 1851 Census.
 
His details are - Jerimiah (proper spelling) Garlick aged 52 (in 1851) so he was born around 1799 at Derbyshire, Dove Holes. He is shown as living at Coal Hurst and a farmer of 45 acres, married to Catherine Garlick aged 44 (no other details). I think Jerimiah died in the last quarter of 1860. Funnily enough there is another Jeremiah (usual spelling) who died in the first quarter of 1860 but they are not the same person.
 
I cannot find any trace anywhere of 'Coal Hurst'.
 
I am also looking for birth certificates or details for Jerimiah around 1799, any marriage details to Catherine (don't know year but their first child  (Samuel was born around the beginning of 1828 in Taxal) so I am guessing they were married around a year before that, and any death details for last quarter of 1860.
 
Are these details held at Derbyshire records, County Hall, Matlock ? as this is were I intend to start looking.
 
Regards,
 
Keith Garlick
488 Manchester Road
Linthwaite
Huddersfield
HD7 5RD
 
Tel 07786 944226

  keith.garlick@ntlworld.com

 

Dear Keith,
 
I have just read you request on line re the Garlick family. My grandmother was Amy Ellen Garlick from Yeardsley cum Whaley. Her father was John Garlick from Coalhurst Farm. His parents were Jeremiah and Catharine. I think Jeremiah's parents were Jeremiah b. 1760, and Anne Winterbottom born 1760 from Dove Holes.
 
Re Cole Hurst farm as it now is, does still exist and is on Kishfield Lane Kettleshulme.  John Garlick was married twice, his first wife being Sarah Wingrove from Scotswood, East Denton, Newcastle. The moved to Whitehough, Chapel en le Frith where John was an apprentice cordwainer. Amy Ellen's mother was Margaret Kirk born 1847 in Whaley Bridge. 
 
Amy Ellen married John James Jackson from Whitehough where my great great grandfather William Jackson was licensee of the Red Cow Inn. It is apparent that both the Jackson's and Garlicks knew each other at this time (1851).
 
They got married at Chapel en le Frith and then moved to 182, Horsedge Street Oldham where my father Frank Jackson was born. John James was a policeman in Oldham.
 
Last week I visited the church at Taxal where the graves of Jeremiah, Catherine and others are.
 
I have fully completed the Jackson family tree but only started the Garlick tree three weeks ago. The Jackson's originally came from Peak Forest, where most of the Garlick family were baptised and married.
 
Last week I also visited the Derbyshire records office yet again re both the Garlick's and the Jackson's and got useful information.  Kettleshulme, Taxal, and Whaley Bridge are all in Cheshire. Chapel en le Frith, Dove Holes and Taxal are all in Derbyshire.
 
Next week I am visiting the Chester records office where I will research the Garlick's and my mothers family, the Fitton's, who are from Cheshire before they moved to Oldham.
 
We obviously appear to be related, but I don't know how? Perhaps you could let me know?
 
Ken Jackson

email address ken@jack1698.fsnet.co.uk

27/01/2008
I am trying to find any information regarding George Selby Crewther, he was born in Glanton Whittingham Northumberland in 1843 To George & Elizabeth Gradon , he  died in Chapel en le Frith 5th April 1885 according to the Free BMD indexes. This is all I know of him.
Hope you can help.
Thank you
 
Anne Hardy
29/01/2008
Dear Mr Guy
 
I have read through your web site on the history of Chapel en le frith. It is a wonderful site and gives me lots of information.As i am doing my family tree and my 5x gr grandparents came from there.
They were named John and Mary Lomas and lived at 44 Cock Yard in 1841 on the census it states that  John Lomas was a farmer of 88 acres and a lime carter so were his son's.So to see the pictures on your site was nice.
I am wondering thou if this place is still there and if so could you help me in trying to find some old pictures of it.
This would be of great interrest to me
 
Thankyou so much
 
Mrs P Milench

Email: jeff.milench@ntlworld.com

 

Dear Mrs Milench
 
I found your posting on the excellent Chapel-en-le-Frith Parish Council Message Board.
 
I looked at the 1841 census sheets HO107/184/4/11 AND 12, which encompass The Cockyard. Unfortunately, I can't find a household with a John Lomas in it. There is George LOMAS and family and just up the hill, Jacob LOMAS and family at Bradshaw Hall and further up again, James LOMAS (wife Mary). I can't find your John and Mary.
 
However, in 1851, I suspect your John is there, a farmer, lime carrier and publican. This John LOMAS was almost certainly the one who married Mary LOMAS (of High Lane) at Thomas Becket on 13 May 1823 by licence (which means there are probably some interesting documents related to the marriage to be had). John's parents were Jacob LOMAS (b The Cockyard, christened 1 January 1774) and Nelly WALTON. John was at Digleach Farm, Upper Crossings in 1841 (with parents) and in 1861, farming 15 acres. He died in 1869.
 
I am part of a group that has researched the Chapel-en-le-Frith Lomases and we have information that may be of interest to you.
 
If you are interested in joining the group, please let me know.
 
Kind regards
 
John Powell

family_history_2006-powell@yahoo.co.uk

David Beresford, a fellow researcher, has pointed out that your John and Mary LOMAS were not at Digleach Farm at the time of the 1841 census - they were at Courses. I had misread my notes so the little piece I sent to you (see below) contains an error.

 

Dear Mrs Milench
 
I found your posting on the excellent Chapel-en-le-Frith Parish Council Message Board.
 
I looked at the 1841 census sheets HO107/184/4/11 AND 12, which encompass The Cockyard. Unfortunately, I can't find a household with a John Lomas in it. There is George LOMAS and family and just up the hill, Jacob LOMAS and family at Bradshaw Hall and further up again, James LOMAS (wife Mary). I can't find your John and Mary.
 
However, in 1851, I suspect your John is there, a farmer, lime carrier and publican. This John LOMAS was almost certainly the one who married Mary LOMAS (of High Lane) at Thomas Becket on 13 May 1823 by licence (which means there are probably some interesting documents related to the marriage to be had). John's parents were Jacob LOMAS (b The Cockyard, christened 1 January 1774) and Nelly WALTON. John was at Digleach Farm, Upper Crossings in 1841 (with parents) and in 1861, farming 15 acres. He died in 1869.
 

 

30/01/2008

Dear Cllr Guy,

                     What a gem your web page is on family history, I only hope it can be of some help to me. 

I am trying to discover information on my maternal grandfather’s family. So far, I have the following information;

John (b.1847) and Mary (b.1849) Holroyd lived in Church Lane (we think 47), ?Steel Square, in St Thomas A’Beckett parish. They had 3 children, John 1874, William 1876, and Elizabeth 1879. In the 1901 census, William and his wife Emily (nee Stroner we think), were living in the family home, 47 Church Lane. We think they had 3 children, Arthur 1902, Alfred 1903, and Ethel 1907.  Alfred was my grandfather (married Clarice Hayward and lived in Rochdale). Most of the above we have pieced together using family members and the internet but none of it is certain. Alfred died in 1954, so that avenue is closed. There is a family storey of a big falling out around 1920,  so there has never been any contact with any members of the family. 

During our research, we have found many references to the name Holroyd in Chapel en le frith so I suppose our main question is how common  was the name Holroyd, in the village during this time? 

I do hope you can help me in any way.

Many thanks

Matt James

M66atj@blueyonder.co.uk

12/02/2008

Dear Mr Guy,

My name is William (Bill) Raymond and I’m a descendant of Beatrice Sidebotham daughter of Henry Sidebotham, she was my grandmother. As far as I’m aware she was bourn in Chapel en le Frith in 1893, she had 3 brothers for which I have names, Albert, Harry, Fred and a sister Clara. she had a cousin Jack

She lived in Tintwistle, Manchester around 1907 for a while with her sister and her brother toured Canada and the United States in that year while Fred toured the Middle East in 1909

She married Alfred Raymond on July 20, 1917 at St. Mellitus, Hanwell and set sail for Australia later that year followed some years later by brother Fred. Harry was killed in France during WW1.

Below is her photo as a young woman and if there is anyone in the are who might be able to give me further information or details of relatives I’d be most appreciative,

Yours truly,

Bill Raymond

email: raymondandsons@grapevine.com.au

15/02/2008 Hello, i wonder if you can help, I have just found my great great great
great grandfather on the 1851 census. living with his daughter at
Banwell Somerset the census tells us that he was born in Chapel-On-Le
-Frith. His name was John Wilson occupation papermaker age in 1851 74,
which means he was born born circa 1777. Can you give me any
information on Wilson's.

Hope you can help. Thanking you in anticipation

Ken
email: kenandjulie@blueyonder.co.uk
15/02/2008
Hi all
I’m looking for
Mary Newton born Ireland 1845 married Thomas Britt/Brett in 1862 at Bishop Auckland in 1862.
Mary’s father is listed as a blacksmith on the marriage cert.
Thomas Britt/Brett was born 1840 Sligo Ireland.
In the 1851 census there is an Andrew Newton aged 30 b Ireland, Robert aged 7, and Mary aged 6 staying with a family in Chapel en le Frith called Hewitt.
They also show up in the 1861 census in St Mary’s parish Oldham, as again Andrew Newton, Robert Newton, and Mary Newton but also with another Robert Newton b1851 Ireland and Julia Newton b1821.
I cannot find any mention of any of the family after this census apart from Mary when she marries Thomas.
I am trying to locate any further information regarding this family, which parish were they born in Ireland, How did they get to Britain and when?
Any help or suggestions greatly appreciated
Paul

27/02/2008

I and a distant cousin (copied in) are interested in the reference to William S Madan on the Chapel-en-le-Frith war memorial, which honours his fall in 1915. My great uncle was William Spencer Madan, who I’m fairly sure fought through both WW1 and WW2: he is mentioned at http://books.google.com/books?id=L_nx4Fc5ZZgC&pg=RA1-PA330&lpg=RA1-PA330&dq=bertha+madan&source=web&ots=4ZvMh607YX&sig=IXe9KHWFxpeAA876h-Ya5dx2TgE ie as a Lichfield family, which is some 75 miles from Chapel-en-le-Frith.

When I search the WW1 section of www.nationalarchives.gov.uk I get:

Catalogue
ref     Description    

WO 372/13       Medal card of 

Madan, William S

Corps:

British Red Cross Society and Order of Saint John of Jerusalem 
-       this may be “your” William S Madan rather than our William Spencer Madan (!).

Per your website your memorial is headed Erected 1919 to record the honoured names of the men from the Parish of Chapel-en-le-Frith who served in the Great War” – when I do a Google search on Madan and Chapel-en-le-Frith though nothing else comes up: Can you tell us any more about your William S Madan (eg where he fell and how old) or his family please? I realize you probably get loads of questions like this!! Many thanks.

Kind Regards

Arthur Bletchly

9 Bryntirion Close, Bridgend, CF31 4BZ

( Tel 0845 1309438/ 01656 668120 Mobile 07802 902119

Fax 0845 1309439

email: Arthur@bvalued.co.uk

 

Hello Arthur,

 
as far as i know William didn't die in the War, the town memorial recognised all those men that fought and not just those that died. There isn't a cross against William's name on the monument so i think he probably survived the war. There is a record of local men who fought at the Chapel Library, i will have a look for you the next time i visit (it won't be for a couple of weeks i am afraid).
 
regards
Stephen Hawley

 

5/03/2008
Hi my name is Debbie Stevens and I am trying to trace my family tree I have gone back to Issac Lomas b1831in Chapel-en-le-Frith who married a Hannah Unwin b1832 in Eyam who were married i think in Bakewell .They went on to have several children Jacob b1853 in Chapel-en-le-frith Sarah b1855 Louisa b 1860 Catherine b 1863 Harry b 1866 George b 1874 all born in Eyam If anyone has any information i would be very grateful
  
Please contact me at:  darren.stevens7@ntlworld.com
Dear Darren
 
I read your posting on the CELF Parish Council Family History notice board with interest.
 
Could your Isaac be the eldest of the offspring of Henry LOMAS and Nancy FURNISS?
 
I think father Henry was the youngest of Henry LOMAS and Sarah FRITH. And paternal grandparents would be Henry LOMAS and Dorothy SWINDELLS.
 
Kind regards
 

 

12/03/2008

I know from the 1841 census that my great-great-great-great-grandfather, John Williamson born in Derbyshire in1805/6, was a wheelwright in Tunstead Milton.  He was married to Ann who was born about 1820/1 in Derbyshire.  They had a son called Thomas born in 1829/30.  I found John Williamson, wheelwright, in Paget’s list of 1836 but that is all the information I have.  Unfortunately the 1841 census did not give a specific birthplace so I don’t know if John and Ann were born in Chapel.  Their address is given as Lane or Lanes End.  Does this address still exist in either Chapel or Tunstead?

I would be extremely grateful for any information you can find about my Chapel ancestors.

Best regards
Helen Piper

Email: Helen.piper@normandygite.org.uk

10/04/2008

Dear Cllr. Martin,

I have a message for the Family History Board on the Chapel en le Frith Website:

Would anyone have any information on my Grandmother her name was Emily Jane Lomas born Sep 1909 in Chapel en le Frith, she married a Joseph Thomas King and I believe that she is buried in Chelmorton cemetery.  I would love to know where she came from, I will soon be ordering her birth certificate but would like any info if anyone has any. Many Thanks.

Jon King.

Email: jonanddanny@ntlworld.com

15/04/2008
Dear Mr Guy,
 
The Family History Message Board is a splendid idea, and special thanks go to the people  who thought of it and set it up.
 
I would appreciate any help you can give me in adding to the little I know of my g-g-g-g-grandparents
 
Sarah Carrington (aged ''70' in the 1841 Census and '88' in 1851) and Carrington, parents of Nelly (Ellen) Shirt Carrington who was christened at Chapel en le Frith May 31st 1801,
 
and Ellen's husband, my g-g-g-grandfather
 
John Hallam, paper manufacturer,aged 40 according to the Census in 1841, who died before 1851, was probably from Derbyshire, and was also described as a paper maker on his daughter's marriage certificate.
 
I don't have any information about their marriage, but their daughter Ann was born in Chapel en le Frith, according to Census data.
 
Many Thanks,
 
Helen Jones

Email: lindahelens@yahoo.co.uk

 

Dear Linda
 
I did some 'quick and dirty' on your query and found on International Genealogical Index:
 
Nelly Shirt chr 31 May 1801 daur of Sarah CARRINGTON
Samll chr 16 Oct 1805 son of John & Sarah CARRINGTON
Mary chr 8 Oct 1806 daur of John & Sarah CARRINGTON
Sarah b 21 Oct & chr 8 Nov 1807 daur Sarah CARRINGTON
Matthew chr 30 Dec 1808 son of John & Sarah CARRINGTON
and
Betty born and chr 23 Dec 1810 daur of Sarah CARRINGTON
 
So by implication, the father of Nelly Shirt was probably John CARRINGTON.
 
 
John
 
 
Dear Linda
 
I  noticed your 15 April 2008 posting on the Chapel-en-le-Frith Parish Council Family History Message Board.
 
The International Genealogical Index has the following promising entries:
 
John HALLAM m Ellen Shirt CARRINGTON at Chapel-en-le-Frith Parish Church 19 August 1821
Ann daughter of John and Ellen Shirt HALLAM christened at Chapel-en-le-Frith Parish Church 9 February 1823 &
Ann daughter of John and Ellen HALLAM christened at Chapel-en-le-Frith Parish Church 18 November 1829
 
There are a lot of John Hallams around Chapel at the time so it is going to be difficult to identify which one was your ancestor. If you make any progress with your Hallams, please would you let me know.
 
Best wishes
 
John Powell

27/04/208
I am looking for some help locating information about my ancestors John Goddard (b 1813 at Lee end farm Chinley) and his wife Elizabeth (Betty) Walton b C 1819 at Walton House CELF Derbyshire.
I do not seem to be able to find out who her parents were or where Walton house might be (I have found a Walton Hall nr Chsterfield but it appears it was not owned by the Walton familly at the time of her birth)
Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.
Regards
Julie Redman

29/04/08
HI.  my  ancester,  james byron, 
                            born  1814,  stalybridge cheshire
                           married 16th  november 1840,
                           to  elizabeth  wilson,
                           born  1817  chapel--en--le-frith
i have  traced  elizabeth  family, isaac  wilson  father 1786
                                                  mary  lowe  mother 1790  sarah, mary,  elizabeth, john,  thomas, george,  isaac
1812   1814    1817      1820    1823     1825       1828
all  at  the  thomas  a  becket  church,
i got  parents  marriage,  all children  births  apart  for,
Elizabeth's, john,s,  on  the  marriage  certificate,  for  james
and  elizabeth,  her  father  was  a  farmer,  at  corn--heys
i have  tried  mattlock,  derbyshire,  stockport, for  elizabeth  birth  certificate  with  no  luck,  do,s  anyone have  any  ideas,  were  i  could  go  next,  and  tell me  what  corn--heys  is
                                 yours  joyce  McCormack

email Jmacyshome@aol.com

12/05/2008
Dear Cllr. Martin
 
Please can you help me find out any more information about Dominic (sometimes spelt Dominick) Moran born about 1835 in Co Mayo, Ireland who lived in Chapel en Le Frith around the time of 1871 - 1891.
 
Living in Town End, Chapel En Le Frith, Bowden Edge, Derbyshire in 1871 aged 34 as a boarder with John and Ann Ibbotson and family (Sarah, Thomas, John & William). The head of the family John is a Labourer at the Iron Works age 47. Wife Ann aged 46. Sarah aged 19 is a Wadding Coarser. Thomas aged 17 is a Blacksmiths Striker. John aged 15 is a Fireman at the Lead Mine. William aged 12 is a Scholar. Dominick is noted as Labourer at Baryles Works?
1881 Census states living at Town End, Chapel En Le Frith, Derbyshire. Occupation noted as General Labourer. Dominic spelt without the K.

Occupation on 1891 census states Paper Bleacher. Dominic spelt without the K. Living at Tabernacle Court, Exeter, St Mary Major, Devon.

1901 Census states born in County Mayo, Ireland. Living with Eldest Daughter Elizabeth Milton, husband Frederick is a Private Soldier in 2nd Devons Regiment & children (Frederick, Violet, Ivy & Harold) at Bartholomew Place, Exeter

He marries Miss Marrian Marsh born in Hope, Derbyshire on 28 May 1847. I am unsure of the date of their marriage or indeed at which church this took place at. I have a copy of her birth certificate and beleive her parents to be William Henry Marsh, a tailor and Miss Elizabeth Ashton.

I would love to know more about any of these people and would really appreciate your help. I am hoping to visit Chapel and Hope later this summer.

Many thanks and look forward to hearing from you.

Lynda

Email: lynda.moran1@googlemail.com

Dear Lynda
 
No Marshes/Ashtons/Morans/Ibbotsons in my family tree.
 
I had a look at the censuses and think Marian is the Mary aged 3 years in 1851 living in Hope with married mother Elizabeth aged 28 years born Hope and brothers Robert (aged 8 years) and John H (aged 1 year); husband William Henry MARSH was on Chester Road in Old Trafford, aged 31 years, a mat maker, born in Upper Canada. In 1861, living in Hope there is William H Marsh, basket and mat maker aged 41 years, blind, born Canada, wife Elizabeth 38 years, son John aged 11 years, daughter Harriet aged 4 years and daughter Elizabeth A aged 2 years.
 
I found a likely marriage of a Dominick MORAN and a Marian MARSH -  registrations for both names are in the index to the General Register for the September quarter of 1871 at Macclesfield, page 178 of volume 8a. He must have been a labourer at the barytes works in Chapel-en-le-Frith. Barytes (barium sulphate) was mined locally and used in paint (think it was a white pigment).
 
Best wishes
John Powell

21/05/2008
Dear Cllr Guy Martin,
I am seeking information on my wife's paternal Grandparents,  John & Bridget Meaney (MS O'Halloran)  who moved to Chapel-en-le-Frith, from County Down, Ireland circa  1905 and lived there until circa 1911.   I am sure that two of their children were born in Chapel-en-le-Frith:   Edward Meaney  born  March 1907
                                   Kate Meaney       born June 1910.
 
I am patricularly interested in another possible daughter who was married in Chapel-en-le-Frith.           Mary Ann Meaney    married 1908  (spouse may have been Joe Gaunt)
 
I am attempting to confirm that they were all children of the same parents., John & Bridget Meaney.
 
Any information in this regard, or any other source that I can search, will be gatefully appreciated.  

I am doing some research into my wife's paternal Grand parents and in particular one of their daughters; " Mary Ann Meaney"

The Meaney family, John and Bridget (MS O'Halloran) moved to Chapel-en-le-Frith, from Co. Down, Ireland, about 1905 and remained there until 1911.   At least two of their children , Edward and Kate, were born there..   

The subject of my research, Mary Ann Meaney, was, according to <freebmd.org,uk.> married in Chapel-en-le-Frith on March 1908, (perhaps to a Joe Gaunt), she would have been 17 years old at the time.   I am anxious to know if you can confirm that such a marriage took place and what procedure I should follow to obtain  any records including a copy of the Marriage Certificate.

The freebmd record is in Volume 7b  at page 1164.

I trust that you can assist me in my quest and look forward to hearing from you.

Kindest Regards,                                 Angus G. Macnab

                                                                New Brunswick,   Canada.

Email: amacnab@nb.sympatico.ca

22/05/2008
My late father, Esca Garrick b.1886, had a brother Lionel Garrick b.1885.   Lionel lived in Chapel le Frith until his early death in 1919. 
 
I have discovered through research that Lionel married a Norah Margaret Lafferty (nee Buxton) and they had a daughter Norah Marie born 24 March 1914 (37 Dale Road, Buxton).      Norah married a Frank F Gibson and I know that they had a son David L.G. Garrick b.1937.   Although I haven't been able to trace the birth of a daughter, I believe there could also be a daughter, Elizabeth - possibly named "Heathcote".
 
I have a  lovely photograph of Lionel and his young family and also photographs of Lionel’s father, Edward John Garrick and his wife Minnie Janette (nee Smith) and would love to share this information and all the other Garrick history as have managed to go back as far as my great, great, great, great granddad, Cornelius Garriock (Garrick) bn: 1681 in the Shetland Isles.
 
Any information you can supply, would be very much appreciated.
 
HAZEL FELTON (nee Garrick)

Many thanks for the prompt reply.  After sending the e-mail I realised
that I possibly should have put more information.  Lionel Garrick died 6
December 1919 (age 39).  He was a Foreman of the Post Office Telephone
Wiremen and an Army Pensioner.  Lionel and Norah Margaret's daughter,
Norah Marie, was born 24 March 1914.  She married a Frank Gibson (3rd qtr
of 1935). Frank was a Time and Motion Officer (Quarry).  Norah Marie
Gibson died on 20 November 1989 - living at 68 West Road, Buxton.  Name of
informant on the certificate was Elizabeth Heathcote (Daughter.  Although,
as mentioned earlier I know that Frank and Norah Gibson had a son in 1937,
David L.G. Gibson.

Email: h.felton@blueyonder.co.uk

8/06/2008 My name is Rod Treweek, and my family and I have began the daunting task of piecing together our family history.  We basically know that my great-grandmother Eleanor "Nellie" Fischer (spelling may be off) was born in England to what we believe to be an Isabella Jane Hill (Hall?) and a John Fredric Fischer (again, the spelling on these may not be totally accurate). Nellie married a John Treweek and they moved to America (specifically, Butte Montana) where John worked, we believe as a blacksmith.  Anecdotal accounts suggest that the marriage was not a particularly welcome announcement to the Fischer family, as John Treweek was possibly considered below Nellie's station.  John Fredric Fischer is described as both a captain of the SS Marie, and also as having involvement in the shipping business.  Nellie was born in 1868, and returned to England in 1909 with her son Willie as shown on a ship manifest that we have obtained. Willie recounts being disciplined by the family butler while there (getting a spanking).  Not much else is known regarding this visit, or why it may have occurred at that time (speculation is that it may have been for a funeral, but no direct evidence exists regarding this). Other interesting anecdotal information  is that Nellie loved to sing, and both her and John plaid piano and sang, and it has been said that she sang for Queen Victoria as a child.  Sadly, John died quite young, having drowned (there is some appearance of possible foul play, as it has been suggested that he was mounting a lawsuit against a mining company over injuries that one of his sons had sustained, but nothing additionally has ever been discovered regarding this). Equally sad, Nellie seems to have had suffered from some form of increasingly debilitating mental illness, and the remainder of her life was spent in the care of the Montana state hospital at Warm Springs. Her son Jack, my Grandfather, rarely spoke of her throughout my father's life, and my dad did not even know that he had a Grandmother until she had passed (very sad..). My Grandfather also seemed to suffer from deteriorating mental health (possibly part of the reason for the lack of contact with his mother), and sadly ended his own life.
     Needless to say we would be very interested in finding out any information regarding our ancestry in England and possible linkage to the Fisher family.  The Treweek family seems to have hailed from Cornwall, and we are still somewhat unclear on where the Fischer family may have lived.  Anyway, the descriptions that I have found of the James Fisher family seemed to be worthy of some exploration regarding a possible link, so i thought maybe I'd email you to see if there might be some connection. Sorry for the long email, and thank you very much for offering your website.

Sincerely,

Rod Treweek
Email: rtreweek@gmail.com
Dear Rod
 
By checking the registrations of marriages and of births that are accessible and searchable online for instance at freebmd.org.uk, there are the following interesting leads:
 
John TREWEEK marriage registered at Cardiff in the September quarter of 1896 (volume 11a, page 574 of the index to the General Register) also a Nellie FISCHER marriage registered at Cardiff in the September quarter of 1896 (volume 11a, page 574). The index does not prove that John and Nellie married one another but there is a very good chance that they did because there are only four names on each page of the index.
 
There are six candidate John TREWEEKs whose births were registered in Cornwall (and one in Bristol) in the index of General Register. There is an Eleanor FISCHER whose birth was registered at Mile End (London/Middlesex) in the September quarter of 1866. But I can't find an Eleanor or a Nellie or similar name for a Fischer (didn't check names similar to Fischer) in the indexes for 1868. Coverage of births was nowhere near 100% in those days so it is possible your John does not appear in the birth register. It's less likely for your Nellie's birth not to be registered.
 
I would advise you to obtain a copy of the marriage certificate of John TREWEEK detailed above. You can order over the internet from
 
 
The certificate will cost you about fifteen dollars - it's expensive because it's a legally verified document. And it's quite slow - probably two weeks for it to arrive with you.
 
From the marriage certificate you will get useful information that will help you with your ancestors. The most important item of course is that it should confirm that this John TREWEEK married a Nellie FISCHER. But you will get John's profession, his age, his father's name and profession and comparable information for Nellie.
 
The mention of Cornwall sparked my interest. There were some links between Chapel-en-le-Frith (CELF) and Cornwall. One of my CELF 19th century relations married into a Cornish family. The link was probably through mining - there was tin mining in Cornwall and a variety of mining activities near CELF -coal, lead, barytes, limestone... In your case, I can find no hint of a link to CELF.
 
Good luck with your family history.
 
Kind Regards
 
 
John Powell
 
25/06/2008
hi  once again,  i am  looking  for  ancestors,   this  time,  i am  trying  to  sort  something  out,   my  4timesgr/grandmother   elizabeth  wilson,  byron,  parents were   isaac  wilson  /   and  mary  lowe,   m/1811,  chapel,   they  had  7  children,  isaac  died   in  1848,  just   before  the  1851  census,  but on  the  census,   his  wife   was  named  as  hannah,   i have  searched  all of  the  chapel  resources  for  mary,s   death,   to  see if  he  married  again,  but  no  luck,   also  on  the  1841   she  was  named   as  hannah,  can  anyone  shed  any  light ,  on  this  for  me,    yours  joyce   mccormack

Email: Jmacyshome@aol.com

A CD is now available listing the Index and  Memorial Inscriptions for The Parish Church,
St. Thomas Becket and Town End Methodist Church, years prior to late 1980’s, with an Index and photographs of later burials for both Churches, but note this is not a register of burials
, these are held at the County Record Office, Matlock.

See the War Memorial page for St Thomas Becket & Methodist Churches MI Indexes.

 

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